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#1 Apsco60

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:52 AM

Hello how is everyone doing today? Good i hope. With the up and coming changes 5.3 is looking nicer and nicer. But there still is pestilence in the mist when it comes to balancing. Now before i divulge anymore i need to mention a few things about my class. Hunter cc was broken, this is not a qq thread but rather one adding constructive criticism. The scatter change was needed one way or another although i believe removing it from readiness would solve the problem easier. The whole dr change makes us reliant on others and their cc, a shitty way to balance. Onward to the bigger and meaner menace.

Mages now effectively HAVE as much cc as a hunter if not more. Pom poly / blanket / deep being a deadly combination. This I have no problem with at all. Assuming we are playing by the same rules. Now i don't know about you guys but what iconic class obliterates its opponents in blankets? How many times has some mongo mage blinked into the open to cs your healer, deep your partner and proceed to do science experiments on his face. The class does too much frickin' damage. The instant procs are not that crazy but, in addition to inchanters ward being the green light for a genocide it causes problems. Now i'm not going to say mages are unbeatable or any other nonsense like that but, its easy to play a 5 minute game almost perfect then your partners gets solod in a blanket. That game play is bullshit and not needed. Its bad enough that they can solo your partners in Ethiopian sized cc chains but factor in a full poly and your partner is doomed. And they have the potential to alter time Pom sheep your healer, blanket, deep him, then pom sheep again. Now good players can avoid this 100%, and if you let a mage run rampant he deserves the kill. However these stupid shatters for infinity damage need to be tuned down. Or the cc needs to be tuned. One or the other! Not both like they did to hunters because that is uncalled for but one aspect of game play must be nerfed.

In addition to mages having great cc, astronomical damage, they have good durability. Gone are the days where mages take the biggest damage. In conclusion mages need some aspect of their game play to be tuned down. Whether it be the 8 billion damage shatters, double pom poly, or durability.

My opinion? For anyone that gives two shits, inchanters ward needs to go to 20% increased damage. And maybe slightly less damage (5-10%) on instant casts in addition. Killing people 100-0 in blankets is not "working as intended" or any other bogus. But its not what I think, i'm just some random FoTM S12 hunter AMIRITE? What are your thoughts?

#2 Braindance

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:55 AM

Don't use that title again; I almost had a heart attack thinking that mages got more buffs in 5.3.

View PostZerstiren, on 14 August 2011 - 01:21 AM, said:

If you haven't +repped this guy, you are part of the problem.

View PostRenaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

View Postsimonfra1234, on 25 August 2011 - 08:46 PM, said:

bro you got +rep'd by rapture...

#3 Braindance

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:57 AM

And on topic I agree - mages have turned into the ranged version of dks.

View PostZerstiren, on 14 August 2011 - 01:21 AM, said:

If you haven't +repped this guy, you are part of the problem.

View PostRenaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

View Postsimonfra1234, on 25 August 2011 - 08:46 PM, said:

bro you got +rep'd by rapture...

#4 Dizzeeyo

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:06 AM

View PostApsco60, on 02 May 2013 - 05:52 AM, said:

But its not what I think, i'm just some random FoTM S12 hunter AMIRITE? What are your thoughts?
this was my first thought ill be honest

View PostPouncedd, on 12 June 2014 - 01:51 AM, said:

Feel free to call me an idiot because I'm a hunter or some stupid ass remark but I've actually written all this down on paper and have looked at the numbers comparatively for almost every class

View PostJontex, on 23 June 2014 - 04:48 PM, said:

I actually made an appearance at DH2014 and I met up with people from twitch who were involved with the dota 2 / cs tournies that where there, I talked about the game from my perspective as a professional player and we actually shared a lot of opinions. All I'm saying is a lot of people will be VERY surprised about the future of this game in the esport world :)

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:14 AM

Keep in mind that there's a ~10-13% global damage and healing reduction coming with 5.3. You can almost say it's the same thing as increasing everybody's effective health, but it will also affect absorb effects.

The dynamics will change a lot. A deadly shatter combo today might not be deadly in 5.3. It's a huge change especially for classes which rely on these short time frame bursts to win.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:17 AM

View PostThaya, on 02 May 2013 - 06:14 AM, said:

Keep in mind that there's a ~10-13% global damage and healing reduction coming with 5.3. You can almost say it's the same thing as increasing everybody's effective health, but it will also affect absorb effects.

The dynamics will change a lot. A deadly shatter combo today might not be deadly in 5.3. It's a huge change especially for classes which rely on these short time frame bursts to win.
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View PostZerstiren, on 14 August 2011 - 01:21 AM, said:

If you haven't +repped this guy, you are part of the problem.

View PostRenaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

View Postsimonfra1234, on 25 August 2011 - 08:46 PM, said:

bro you got +rep'd by rapture...

#7 Marshmellow

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:18 AM

Blizzard could solve everything if they put incaters @ 15% and maybe increased CD on Deep Freeze, its not like any mages take Incanters for PvE and deep freeze doesnt do damage to raid bosses anymore, so it doesn't really hurt pve
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:24 AM

ya mages are kinda insane

#9 Dizzeeyo

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:30 AM

View PostBraindance, on 02 May 2013 - 06:17 AM, said:

http://www.arenajunk...-watchmeblink1/

Tune in for some r1 mage gameplay right now.
because a mage that stacks two damage trinkets + the orc racial should be used as a point of comparison for the entire class, amirite :)

View PostPouncedd, on 12 June 2014 - 01:51 AM, said:

Feel free to call me an idiot because I'm a hunter or some stupid ass remark but I've actually written all this down on paper and have looked at the numbers comparatively for almost every class

View PostJontex, on 23 June 2014 - 04:48 PM, said:

I actually made an appearance at DH2014 and I met up with people from twitch who were involved with the dota 2 / cs tournies that where there, I talked about the game from my perspective as a professional player and we actually shared a lot of opinions. All I'm saying is a lot of people will be VERY surprised about the future of this game in the esport world :)

#10 Regent

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:41 AM

Mages went from setting up perfectly timed and spaced attacks, coordinated with the rest of your team to pop all your cds and one-shot someone in a stun.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:53 AM

All I read was:

"bigger and meaner menace, mongo science experiments, genocide bullshit Ethiopian sized,  doomed infinity damage, astronomical damage,  8 billion damage, two shits Killing people bogus

So in immortal words of virgin Mary : " Come again"?

Edited by Mitoo, 02 May 2013 - 06:54 AM.


#12 Enyalius

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:56 AM

View PostBraindance, on 02 May 2013 - 06:17 AM, said:

http://www.arenajunk...-watchmeblink1/

Tune in for some r1 mage gameplay right now.

My first thought as soon as I saw this thread. Watching those numbers and how often u have those numbers makes my brain hurt.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 07:24 AM

if they want to nerf Frostmages they have to change all the play style and change back to WOTLK style or the class will be dogShit

Edited by Coldizzle, 02 May 2013 - 07:24 AM.


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 07:30 AM

View PostEnyalius, on 02 May 2013 - 06:56 AM, said:

My first thought as soon as I saw this thread. Watching those numbers and how often u have those numbers makes my brain hurt.

Because not like those players they play agaisnt are compeltly retarded and just let a 30% resil mage freecast 5 frostbolts into a deep without using a single defensive spell and die while theyre tunneling his full resil gemmed partners

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 07:42 AM

A mage have great utility (CC, peel, high instant dmg, CC breaker). So i don't think mages should complain if one of those utilities will get nerfed lol. Btw, I Hate Mages :).



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Posted 02 May 2013 - 07:59 AM

I think they just need to have mana again, instead of what they have now, this blue bar under their health that constantly stays full unless the spam spell steal. Does evocate even give mana anymore? I'm not even sure.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 08:34 AM

you spelled hunters wrong in the title
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 08:41 AM

completely remove the frost bomb / nether tempest / living bomb tier from the mage class, boom class fixed in pvp

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 08:46 AM

love crying about classes in erry diggity thread ya'll

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:17 AM

View Posternest, on 02 May 2013 - 07:59 AM, said:

I think they just need to have mana again, instead of what they have now, this blue bar under their health that constantly stays full unless the spam spell steal. Does evocate even give mana anymore? I'm not even sure.
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