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#221 Flabbert

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 08:13 PM

View PostFilthpig, on 30 April 2013 - 07:58 PM, said:

You act like hunters are the only class that can do this lol. Lets take a took at others:

Mage: The only class that I have ever seen literally spam poly someone 10x in a row. They can Polly you for 15s, into a ring, into a deep, into a blanket cs. That's well over 20s.
Rogue: cheap 4s, garrote 3s, gouge 3s, kidney 5s, paralytic 4 sec, blind 8s, sap 8-15s and stun/silence you all over again while killing you! That's well over 30s.
Druid: 10s of clone, roar you for 3s, typhoon next cast 2s as any spec, 15s. Add like 10s if vortex beam.
Warlock: pet stun 4s, 15s of fear, 4s blanket with second pet, coil, pet stun again. Over 30s
Shaman: cap totem 5s, hex 8 sec, shock 4s. 16s
Death knight: asphyxiate. 4s, grip a cast, mind freeze, pet stun, steal one of your cc's.  over 20s
Priest: 15s of fear with bullshit psyfiend, 4sec silence, 2 sec disarm. 21s
Monk: ring of peace, stuns, disarms, paralyze. Over. 20sec
Paladin: 4s hoj, 8s repentance, 4am blinding light. Rebuke 18s

Hunter:  scatter 3s, trap 8s, silence 3s, web wrap 3s. 17s. If you readiness it's like 24s.

If someone wants to cc you for a while... They can.

Now lets add the difficulty to all those chains you just made up.

Read after the sap part, thanks for the good laugh.
"Rogue: cheap 4s, garrote 3s, gouge 3s, kidney 5s, paralytic 4 sec, blind 8s, sap 8-15s and stun/silence you all over again while killing you! That's well over 30s.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 08:13 PM

View PostPhaelle, on 30 April 2013 - 06:43 PM, said:

It seems they're not just thinking about pulling a Cata style Deep > RoF change, they are apparently changing scatters DR category entirely to be on the gouge/sap/poly/trap/hex/etc DR table...

https://twitter.com/...283358112768001

Pretty terrible then tbh we are not warriors we can do dmg but not as much as one we have this utility that they are changing. I have no idea what they intend for us to become. Then you have these mouth breathers never been 2200 saying they hope the class just becomes the worst lol Aj might have gone to shit but it still makes you laugh. Orc shamans are going to be so bothersome now. Have to test monkey perhaps now or now forced into playing with a class that doesn't dr with a stun or scatter should be interesting =). One thing I can say is after this pacth landing a trap will take more thinking than any cc in the game currently.

Edited by Dagin, 30 April 2013 - 08:15 PM.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 08:22 PM

View PostMbgz, on 30 April 2013 - 08:12 PM, said:

but hunters do it all instant without dropping any dps. you literally just spam your dps rotation while using all your dumb instant cc on cooldown in your focus binds.

Yo man I know you're an expert on this game and know all class abilities n such but how can you honestly say that? Are you saying that every other cc in the game stops the character from doing dps except hunter?
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Posted 30 April 2013 - 08:28 PM

View PostDagin, on 30 April 2013 - 08:22 PM, said:

Yo man I know you're an expert on this game and know all class abilities n such but how can you honestly say that? Are you saying that every other cc in the game stops the character from doing dps except hunter?

im saying that most classes that wanna get anywhere near to having the same amount of cc as a hunter, either have to cast, or sacrifise dps. hunters can just spam everything like a mongo and still do damage and its almost impossible to counter.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 08:30 PM

View PostFilthpig, on 30 April 2013 - 07:58 PM, said:

You act like hunters are the only class that can do this lol. Lets take a took at others:

Mage: The only class that I have ever seen literally spam poly someone 10x in a row. They can Polly you for 15s, into a ring, into a deep, into a blanket cs. That's well over 20s.
Rogue: cheap 4s, garrote 3s, gouge 3s, kidney 5s, paralytic 4 sec, blind 8s, sap 8-15s and stun/silence you all over again while killing you! That's well over 30s.
Druid: 10s of clone, roar you for 3s, typhoon next cast 2s as any spec, 15s. Add like 10s if vortex beam.
Warlock: pet stun 4s, 15s of fear, 4s blanket with second pet, coil, pet stun again. Over 30s
Shaman: cap totem 5s, hex 8 sec, shock 4s. 16s
Death knight: asphyxiate. 4s, grip a cast, mind freeze, pet stun, steal one of your cc's.  over 20s
Priest: 15s of fear with bullshit psyfiend, 4sec silence, 2 sec disarm. 21s
Monk: ring of peace, stuns, disarms, paralyze. Over. 20sec
Paladin: 4s hoj, 8s repentance, 4am blinding light. Rebuke 18s

Hunter:  scatter 3s, trap 8s, silence 3s, web wrap 3s. 17s. If you readiness it's like 24s.

If someone wants to cc you for a while... They can.

Most of this is fictional bullshit.  Especially since half of it is the wrong cooldowns or durations.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 08:31 PM

Seeing delusional hunters defending their absolutely retarded amount of CC is making me lose faith in humanity.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 08:42 PM

View PostPitiless, on 30 April 2013 - 08:31 PM, said:

Seeing delusional hunters defending their absolutely retarded amount of CC is making me lose faith in humanity.

dont even get me started on the 8 sec undispellable root everytime the disengange.

hunters are literally the definition of BIas.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 08:54 PM

we are op.. look at all the tacos randomly jumping ladders like never before same thing is occurring with rogues of course they are still great players that play both so dont jump on me about that comment.

but we have a ton of solid instant cc and do amazing dmg. maybe with these changes things will be more toned down..

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 08:54 PM

View PostMbgz, on 30 April 2013 - 08:28 PM, said:

im saying that most classes that wanna get anywhere near to having the same amount of cc as a hunter, either have to cast, or sacrifise dps. hunters can just spam everything like a mongo and still do damage and its almost impossible to counter.

Oh hey look, another guy that seems to think the only Hunter spec in the game is BM.
Bye again! This game isn't fun when you don't know anyone else that still plays.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 08:56 PM

View Postfant0m8, on 30 April 2013 - 08:54 PM, said:

Oh hey look, another guy that seems to think the only Hunter spec in the game is BM.

its the only specc you play against. thus it's what i am talking about here.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 09:04 PM

View PostMbgz, on 30 April 2013 - 08:56 PM, said:

its the only specc you play against. thus it's what i am talking about here.

Then why don't you post about nerfing the ability for that spec to do damage passively without spending too many globals/casting?

Nerfing the CC duration without touching either BM's method of damage or the way that the CC is applied (i.e. making it not instant) is a really stupid idea, imo. It's treating the symptom, not the cause.

Not to mention that it affects specs like MM more than BM.

Edited by fant0m8, 30 April 2013 - 09:04 PM.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 09:11 PM

View PostDagin, on 30 April 2013 - 08:13 PM, said:

Pretty terrible then tbh we are not warriors we can do dmg but not as much as one we have this utility that they are changing. I have no idea what they intend for us to become. Then you have these mouth breathers never been 2200 saying they hope the class just becomes the worst lol Aj might have gone to shit but it still makes you laugh. Orc shamans are going to be so bothersome now. Have to test monkey perhaps now or now forced into playing with a class that doesn't dr with a stun or scatter should be interesting =). One thing I can say is after this pacth landing a trap will take more thinking than any cc in the game currently.

Yeh. I don't know how it is for Gladiator level players, but as a fairly consistent 2400-2500ish duelist in most seasons, I found it very hard to find consistent partners during periods where hunters had DR issues with the current strong classes and such. They usually just opted to go with classes that were easier to play with instead even when the comps with a hunter were still solid.

I know nerfs are needed but I can't help but feel like it's going to the wrong damn place.

Edited by Phaelle, 30 April 2013 - 09:12 PM.


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 09:51 PM

When blizzard see how dumb this change is for MM/survival they will revert it and end up nerfing BM some way.

Mark my words

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 09:52 PM

Its cool last season people blamed everything on hunters when spriest/wars/ferals were all better classes. This season hunters are in one of the five top comps(thug cleave) which is 2nd to rogue/spriest/sham but yet its all hunters fault again and not the fact rogues lock down an entire team and cant be peeled in their openers.

I would trade my 30 sec cd instant trap for a 1.5 second no CD spammable 8 sec CC any day of the week. So much for all the hunters who love marks this change alone forces everyone to BM.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 10:09 PM

View PostFilthpig, on 30 April 2013 - 07:58 PM, said:

You act like hunters are the only class that can do this lol. Lets take a took at others:

Mage: The only class that I have ever seen literally spam poly someone 10x in a row. They can Polly you for 15s, into a ring, into a deep, into a blanket cs. That's well over 20s.
Rogue: cheap 4s, garrote 3s, gouge 3s, kidney 5s, paralytic 4 sec, blind 8s, sap 8-15s and stun/silence you all over again while killing you! That's well over 30s.
Druid: 10s of clone, roar you for 3s, typhoon next cast 2s as any spec, 15s. Add like 10s if vortex beam.
Warlock: pet stun 4s, 15s of fear, 4s blanket with second pet, coil, pet stun again. Over 30s
Shaman: cap totem 5s, hex 8 sec, shock 4s. 16s
Death knight: asphyxiate. 4s, grip a cast, mind freeze, pet stun, steal one of your cc's.  over 20s
Priest: 15s of fear with bullshit psyfiend, 4sec silence, 2 sec disarm. 21s
Monk: ring of peace, stuns, disarms, paralyze. Over. 20sec
Paladin: 4s hoj, 8s repentance, 4am blinding light. Rebuke 18s

Hunter:  scatter 3s, trap 8s, silence 3s, web wrap 3s. 17s. If you readiness it's like 24s.

If someone wants to cc you for a while... They can.

lost all my faith in humanity who play video games holy fuck most biased shit i've seen

do you understand diminishing returns exist? how do you even have access?

Edited by Elorxo, 30 April 2013 - 10:10 PM.


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 10:13 PM

View PostJokerplex, on 30 April 2013 - 09:51 PM, said:

When blizzard see how dumb this change is for MM/survival they will revert it and end up nerfing BM some way.

Mark my words
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Posted 30 April 2013 - 10:30 PM

Too many FOTM noobs man wtfzor
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Posted 30 April 2013 - 10:36 PM

https://twitter.com/...346699707441153

seems like they nerfed scatter DR to lessen the duration of a readiness'd cc chain, that's why they didn't target pet cc instead

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 10:40 PM

View Postamaixliu, on 30 April 2013 - 10:36 PM, said:

https://twitter.com/...346699707441153

seems like they nerfed scatter DR to lessen the duration of a readiness'd cc chain, that's why they didn't target pet cc instead
Would make more sense to remove scatter from readiness. Id like it to be undodgeable then, my rng is badD:

Edited by Pidgeotto, 30 April 2013 - 10:41 PM.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 12:27 AM

View Postvarellol, on 30 April 2013 - 07:22 AM, said:

s12 bm hunter glad.

srlsy why dont you get it, your class is retarded like mage and rogue is. hunter needs nerfs has nothing to do with other classes.

hunter cc was out of hand. Says the two time glad s11 rogue LOL. But taking away burst, intimidation, and putting scatter on the same dr as trap is a little much in my opinion. Our chains are currently too long but they didn't have to destroy other aspects of the class.




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