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#101 Kettu

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 09:16 AM

View PostPouncedd, on 29 April 2013 - 01:45 AM, said:

Stupidest post I have seen ever. An equally skilled hunter to a mage cant chain CC like a mage can
Nice joke. Stop posting, ty.

View PostPouncedd, on 29 April 2013 - 01:53 AM, said:

Put it down on paper

Intimidation (3sec) -> trap (8sec) -> scatter (4sec) -> silence (3sec) -> readiness -> scatter (2sec) -> silence (1.5sec) -> Web stun (3sec) -> trap (8sec) -> (swap pet) lullaby (4sec) -> (swap pet to basilisk pet) -> stampede wasp (not on DR with anything in-game) stun (2sec) -> pet clone (3sec) -> (swap to 2nd shale spider) -> web stun (3sec) -> Intimidation (1.5sec) -> silence (3sec) -> scatter (4sec) -> trap (8sec)

Ran out of paper, sry.


3 + 8 + 4 + 3 + 2 + 1.5 + 3 + 8 + 4 + 2 + 3 + 3 + 1.5 + 3 + 4 + 8 = 61 seconds

That's 61 seconds of non-stop cc from the hunter only, without taking into account stuff like 8sec disengage webs or knockbacks. I'd like to see your paper of a mage cc'ing someone for 61 seconds non-stop. I wish you good luck.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 11:49 AM

View PostKettu, on 29 April 2013 - 09:16 AM, said:

Nice joke. Stop posting, ty.



Intimidation (3sec) -> trap (8sec) -> scatter (4sec) -> silence (3sec) -> readiness -> scatter (2sec) -> silence (1.5sec) -> Web stun (3sec) -> trap (8sec) -> (swap pet) lullaby (4sec)

Web wrap shares dr with crane sleep (its on stun dr)

Invalid.

#103 Eminemqt

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 11:51 AM

hahah as if there are people defending hunters... everyone knows their damage and especially their CC is retarded stop bitching plz. decent hunters trap off stun so it wont matter too much but its kinda stupid of them nerfing it by making it share DR... shoulda done something else by increasing CD or something but BW on a 1min cooldown and readiness resetting it definitely needs a nerf

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 11:56 AM

^

Please shut up

thanks

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 12:08 PM

View PostAnsi, on 28 April 2013 - 10:39 AM, said:

but this particular hunter signature CC (Scatter+Trap) requires two globals.

lol

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 12:10 PM

View PostJokerplex, on 29 April 2013 - 11:49 AM, said:

Web wrap shares dr with crane sleep (its on stun dr)

Invalid.

shit, that cc will be 1-2 seconds less than what he said it will be. yep, post invalid.

And talk about hunters overreacting. Have most hunters not actually discovered how to trap off pet, root or partner CC? This change won't really matter all that much anyway for a good hunter.
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 12:24 PM

Pet special + trap
Disengage root + silence + trap

Hoj + trap
Cheap/Redirect + trap
A dozen other things + trap.

Could probably even trap off of clone or conc shot a fear into a trap but comparing this to mages deep sheeping is absurd.

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#108 Nez

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 12:40 PM

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Retarded change, just use pets instead of scatter, the only thing they managed to accomplish is get people mad at each other because somebody plays class X.

#109 Jokerplex

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 12:45 PM

View PostVirent, on 29 April 2013 - 12:10 PM, said:

shit, that cc will be 1-2 seconds less than what he said it will be. yep, post invalid.

And talk about hunters overreacting. Have most hunters not actually discovered how to trap off pet, root or partner CC? This change won't really matter all that much anyway for a good hunter.
Have you ever played the game before? If you have, you would know that it would still be on DR making that cc chain impossible.

#110 Jojyn

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 12:54 PM

Aye that chain is pretty invalid since it ignores some stun dr's, assumes you're carrying a weird combination of pets and uses readiness + stampede aswell, plus isn't that second trap dr'ed from the first?

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 12:57 PM

View PostHektiik, on 29 April 2013 - 12:24 PM, said:

Pet special + trap
Disengage root + silence + trap

Hoj + trap
Cheap/Redirect + trap
A dozen other things + trap.

Could probably even trap off of clone or conc shot a fear into a trap but comparing this to mages deep sheeping is absurd.



Hey, u can just fake the kick and sheep the world 3 times each so trying to compare trap to sheep is absurd. and evryone can come up with ways u can do stuff but in end it won't work the same ingame as it does in paper.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 01:36 PM

I would rather see some nerf on the 8 sec physical root, a shorter duration (5 sec maybe?) or dispellable, which is partly why shamans are still the most desirable healer (windwalk totem / tremor totem). I think most people agree hunter CC is out of control, but this change is just going to make the lower rated hunters do worse, where as the higher rated ones will manage just fine using web stun / disengage root / other partners CC to land their traps.

Although it'll be nice that the scatter will have a shorter duration should the hunter decide to use it out of a trap, it'll still serve its purpose to interupt yet another heal. Maybe now they have looked at rogues and hunters, they will finally give mages some well deserved nerfs... so ironic to read all these mages bashing hunter posts.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 01:48 PM

Pretty much all classes needing nerfs are getting nerfed and all classes needing buffs are getting buffed.


Except for mages, wonder if they are looking at them.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 02:29 PM

i have no idea why people are saying "good hunters already trap off pet stun and web"

yes, that's true, but scatter is still hugely used as bait, and still often falls within 15s of a trap

the dr change, assuming it's intended, is horrible, please just remove lullaby/web wrap or something because hunter instant cc IS a problem, but scatter-trap is not

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 04:04 PM

View PostZong, on 29 April 2013 - 01:44 AM, said:

Should make Web Wrap share DR with trap and remove the CC break from BW.

good luck getting a trap out of a scatter shot vs teams with hands

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 04:32 PM


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Scatter and trap on same DR is intentional. Affects the long hunter instant cc train. All specs have access to silencing shot now.


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 04:38 PM

View Postsaibo2k, on 29 April 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:


Holinka@holinka22m
Scatter and trap on same DR is intentional. Affects the long hunter instant cc train. All specs have access to silencing shot now.

mm had acces to silence shot since bc, nice change to make sv and mm more useless.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 04:54 PM

I honestly don't understand why hunters are flipping out about this. Most good hunters pet cc into trap anyways it seems, so you just scatter a dps to stop them from eating it. Oh no 3 whole seconds was taken off the retarded cc chains, what ever will hunters do!!?!?

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 05:43 PM

Rofl so they give us SIlencing shot for free? Hehe nice plan guys now i can just simply get Wyrven sting and have even longer cc and i can actually control even more people at once! great idea...
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 05:45 PM

View PostHiddenstalke, on 29 April 2013 - 05:43 PM, said:

Rofl so they give us SIlencing shot for free? Hehe nice plan guys now i can just simply get Wyrven sting and have even longer cc and i can actually control even more people at once! great idea...

Did they change patch notes or something? There was nothing i saw about silencing being baseline.
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