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#1 hid

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 01:42 PM

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  • Cloak and Dagger now allows you to use Ambush, Garrote, and Cheap Shot from 20 yards away, down from 30.
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#2 AcerMVP

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 01:46 PM

Hmm, nice nerf, enough to pull you out of stealth, but far enough to still get the abilities off.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 01:55 PM

While this won't be a huge deal, continuing the discussion from the last nerf thread, I don't think this nerf is needed anymore in 5.3. A combination of the pve trinket nerf, hunter burst nerf, SP nerfs, rogue glyph nerfs and huge HUGE melee hybrid buffs in 5.3 we won't be the #1 melee any more. A lot of things are changing.

Now if we assume that another rogue nerf WAS needed, I'm still not completely sure I agree with the way to go about it. Sure, 10 yard nerf on it will be annoying (it will now be 5 yards shorter range than shadowstep 25 vs 20) but will it really prevent what they're going after (which I assume is the ability to trade your dance or vanish CDs to peel a whole team for a few seconds.)

Will play around with it on PTR, but what I really wish that they make shadowstep break roots to make it a competitive choice with cloak and dagger instead of nerfing C&D. I'm aware that a lot of people will disagree with this, but I have my reasons, most of which I've already explained in the glyph nerf thread.

Either way, on top of my head it feels like a minor, noticable but mostly annoying quality of life nerf and nothing else, might be overlooking something that will have a bigger impact, but doubt it.

Edited by hid, 25 April 2013 - 01:58 PM.


#4 Dividium

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 02:09 PM

Good change. It's annoying to stay out of blind range before an incoming dance, only the be cheapshotted across the entire arena.. Not sure how things will be with the cheapshot nerf though

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 02:34 PM

Step root breaking.  Lol.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 02:51 PM

View PostHektiik, on 25 April 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

Step root breaking.  Lol.

You know if you used to play in BC, ShS used to do this and I can actually see it coming back to the game with how many roots and snares there is.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 02:54 PM

breaking roots might be a bit much, esp since you can step to teammates now.  i do think step needs some sort of buff though to stay competitive.  maybe something like prep resetting its CD again

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 03:00 PM

Now all I'm waiting for is the subterfuge nerf...

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 03:27 PM

Step is so dogshit, 24s for a mediocre gap closer, wtf are u gonna do in this state of the game where 70% of the classes has roots. doesn't even give that niche little dmg increase on ambush anymore.

To make step decent it would need a cooldown reduction, or as said when u use it it breaks roots and slows, i don't see it really being op if they only do the root break since step has a random 24s cd.

I don't see this "nerf" to subterfuge affecting to much though

View Postkorzal, on 25 April 2013 - 02:54 PM, said:

maybe something like prep resetting its CD again

yeah wtf why did they remove that

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#10 korzal

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 03:37 PM

View PostConviqx, on 25 April 2013 - 03:27 PM, said:

yeah wtf why did they remove that
probably because they were mutually exclusive talents before 5.2 and overlooked it

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 03:42 PM

View Postkorzal, on 25 April 2013 - 03:37 PM, said:

probably because they were mutually exclusive talents before 5.2 and overlooked it

this pretty much.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 04:58 PM

View PostOhhiimMvp, on 25 April 2013 - 02:51 PM, said:

You know if you used to play in BC, ShS used to do this and I can actually see it coming back to the game with how many roots and snares there is.

Afaik it wasn't breaking roots. Instead you could use it while rooted and stay rooted after you stepped.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 04:59 PM

thank fucking christ i might be able to run away during a dance now
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Posted 25 April 2013 - 05:00 PM

Hmmmmm... Nop still gona cheapshot entire team then swap healer.
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Posted 25 April 2013 - 05:12 PM

Yeah, this nerf won't phase me at all. Still getting Rank 1 at the end of the season.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 05:42 PM

View Postvarellol, on 25 April 2013 - 04:58 PM, said:

Afaik it wasn't breaking roots. Instead you could use it while rooted and stay rooted after you stepped.

Same shit, by the time they used roots and I used ShS; the root was already ending.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 06:56 PM

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 07:14 PM

every person on my team still gonna get garroted when the rogue gets a re
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Posted 25 April 2013 - 07:21 PM

thank god.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 07:44 PM

they need to make it a 15 yd range

and nerf subterfuge.




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