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#81 Chanimal

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 06:38 AM

View PostMarshmellow, on 24 April 2013 - 06:35 AM, said:

Should buff healers around Discs/hpalas and dps around Locks/Enhance shamans, would be close to a perfect game imo

Exactly. People whine incessantly when their class isn't sickeningly overpowered and forget that other classes being toned down would make for a much better, balanced game.
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#82 Persephones

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 08:05 AM

Would be pretty cool if soul link didn't reduce pet health by 50%, but health funnel would apply to the pet and yourself as well as the soul burn effect (big instant heal + 30% damage reduction

View PostBraindance, on 22 June 2013 - 07:05 AM, said:

The current season is at a very good spot balance-wise. There is a comp variety that hasn't been seen in the game since s8.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 08:08 AM

View PostPoobandit, on 24 April 2013 - 06:38 AM, said:

Exactly. People whine incessantly when their class isn't sickeningly overpowered and forget that other classes being toned down would make for a much better, balanced game.

yeah but you two lovebirds need to get a grip and realize it aint happening, there's only so much that they can change due to pve

if this was a pure pvp game, sure, but it isn't, pvp is such a minor part of the game that they'll never do huge overhauls like that

View PostBraindance, on 22 June 2013 - 07:05 AM, said:

The current season is at a very good spot balance-wise. There is a comp variety that hasn't been seen in the game since s8.

#84 Mirionx

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 09:45 AM

View Postelorahnahimi, on 24 April 2013 - 02:20 AM, said:

i played both a warlock and resto druid in cata, while warlocks were strong they were not insane

what, did you play in cata?

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 10:47 AM

View PostMirionx, on 24 April 2013 - 09:45 AM, said:

what, did you play in cata?

i think he's right.
although warlocks were op if paired with a restoshaman (thats the reason why allmost every team besides tsg and tri dps was like x/wl/shaman in s11)

#86 Chanimal

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 10:50 AM

View PostPersephones, on 24 April 2013 - 08:08 AM, said:

yeah but you two lovebirds need to get a grip and realize it aint happening, there's only so much that they can change due to pve

if this was a pure pvp game, sure, but it isn't, pvp is such a minor part of the game that they'll never do huge overhauls like that

So your solution is to buff warlocks excessively?
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Posted 24 April 2013 - 12:25 PM

View PostPoobandit, on 24 April 2013 - 06:25 AM, said:


On a side note, I feel like blood horror is ridiculously good but not many people spec it.


It's actually a horror to so it doesn't DR with fears and stays for a good 4 seconds with a 30s cd for 1 charge, not to shabby
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Posted 24 April 2013 - 01:51 PM

Warlocks strength in Cata was consistency (survivability, dispel protection, constant pressure). That's pretty much all gone in MoP, comparisons are useless.

I think the number one thing to fix is the Soul Shard for damage resource system. SB:SS is retarded, dumping resources during CDs and then sucking is retarded, wondering if you could have killed someone with Haunt spam is retarded, wondering if you could have won with SS spam is retarded....... just can't take it

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 03:59 PM

View PostPoobandit, on 24 April 2013 - 10:50 AM, said:

So your solution is to buff warlocks excessively?

No but if you're simply hoping for everone to be tuned around us, you're quite dumb, sorry. It's never gonna happen because of pve complications. The best you can hope for is your class to be buffed to t1, not everyone else nerfed to our level.

They could do so many cool things with Soul Link if they reworked it a little, just a few ideas; Health Funnel heals you as well, the soul burn effect (instant heal + 30% shield wall) affects you; you sac damage in favor of survival. When your observer eats and clones the buff, you gain it too. Etc. It doesn't have to be straight up immense damage buff.

View PostBraindance, on 22 June 2013 - 07:05 AM, said:

The current season is at a very good spot balance-wise. There is a comp variety that hasn't been seen in the game since s8.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 04:51 PM

If they tuned every class to Warlock level then nobody would play arena....

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 04:55 PM

View PostPersephones, on 24 April 2013 - 03:59 PM, said:

No but if you're simply hoping for everone to be tuned around us, you're quite dumb, sorry. It's never gonna happen because of pve complications. The best you can hope for is your class to be buffed to t1, not everyone else nerfed to our level.

They could do so many cool things with Soul Link if they reworked it a little, just a few ideas; Health Funnel heals you as well, the soul burn effect (instant heal + 30% shield wall) affects you; you sac damage in favor of survival. When your observer eats and clones the buff, you gain it too. Etc. It doesn't have to be straight up immense damage buff.

...wtf? Did you read what I posted? Did you read what you posted? Jesus christ you're contradicting yourself. I said the game where everyone was balanced closely together would make for a better game. Locks are average right now imo if not a little better than average. What more do you want after the 10% buff?

View PostDomesauce, on 24 April 2013 - 04:51 PM, said:

If they tuned every class to Warlock level then nobody would play arena....

Why? Every class being as closely balanced as possible is a dream for the game

Edited by Poobandit, 24 April 2013 - 05:01 PM.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 05:05 PM

What you're saying is that it's ridic to wish for warlocks to be stronger, and instead we should wish for everyone else to be scaled down to our level. That's dumb, and that's my point. It wont happen. I don't get what's contradicting.

View PostBraindance, on 22 June 2013 - 07:05 AM, said:

The current season is at a very good spot balance-wise. There is a comp variety that hasn't been seen in the game since s8.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 06:06 PM

View PostPersephones, on 24 April 2013 - 05:05 PM, said:

What you're saying is that it's ridic to wish for warlocks to be stronger, and instead we should wish for everyone else to be scaled down to our level. That's dumb, and that's my point. It wont happen. I don't get what's contradicting.

Apparently it's more reasonable to wish for your class to be the next demon overlord of wow arena, crushing everyone beneath their op no skill abilities. Yes that is what is reasonable and desired

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 06:08 PM

View Postelorahnahimi, on 24 April 2013 - 04:54 AM, said:

buffs? i call them repairing a class, the play style is awful/clunky in pvp, dots tick for 2k damage and we get trained non stop.

buffing dot damage or haunt slightly wont put warlocks any where near hunters/rogues/mages.

If you say clunky/awful as meaning not based on DoT damage then I'll believe you, but as they are now warlock damage is fine, in one arena nadagast did around 9 million damage and the next highest was around 6 million :]

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 06:13 PM

View PostPoobandit, on 24 April 2013 - 04:55 PM, said:

Why? Every class being as closely balanced as possible is a dream for the game

because warlocks are bags of shit and nobody wants to play as a bag of shit

View PostAvarencex, on 24 April 2013 - 06:08 PM, said:

If you say clunky/awful as meaning not based on DoT damage then I'll believe you, but as they are now warlock damage is fine, in one arena nadagast did around 9 million damage and the next highest was around 6 million :]

First part tells me you don't understand warlock, second that you don't understand arena. Clunky awful as in the damage-resource mechanic is really really bad, and total damage done in arena means less than nothing. Even less than your one game anecdote.

Edited by Domesauce, 24 April 2013 - 06:20 PM.


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 06:18 PM

View PostAvarencex, on 24 April 2013 - 06:08 PM, said:

If you say clunky/awful as meaning not based on DoT damage then I'll believe you, but as they are now warlock damage is fine, in one arena nadagast did around 9 million damage and the next highest was around 6 million :]
Main problem with the overall dmg is that healing stream does ~2x the healing of the dots' dmg.
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edit: it just gets very hard to heal when you add another class that also has a lot of spread damage on top of it.

Edited by Wallirik, 24 April 2013 - 06:18 PM.


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 06:23 PM

View PostDomesauce, on 24 April 2013 - 06:13 PM, said:

because warlocks are bags of shit and nobody wants to play as a bag of shit



First part tells me you don't understand warlock, second that you don't understand arena. Clunky awful as in the damage-resource mechanic is really really bad, and total damage done in arena means less than nothing. Even less than your one game anecdote.

I think your some cataclysm warlock hero that is all washed up while chanimals here can actually adapt and get rank one as warlock in MoP LOL. Seriously, he's 2500 right now in bg9 obviously he is doing something right while all you whiners are doing something terribly wrong. XD

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 06:26 PM

View PostAvarencex, on 24 April 2013 - 06:23 PM, said:

I think your some cataclysm warlock hero that is all washed up while chanimals here can actually adapt and get rank one as warlock in MoP LOL. Seriously, he's 2500 right now in bg9 obviously he is doing something right while all you whiners are doing something terribly wrong. XD

couldn't be more wrong but thanks for playing anyways

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 06:34 PM

View PostDomesauce, on 24 April 2013 - 06:26 PM, said:

couldn't be more wrong but thanks for playing anyways

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 06:36 PM

View PostDomesauce, on 24 April 2013 - 06:13 PM, said:

because warlocks are bags of shit and nobody wants to play as a bag of shit



First part tells me you don't understand warlock, second that you don't understand arena. Clunky awful as in the damage-resource mechanic is really really bad, and total damage done in arena means less than nothing. Even less than your one game anecdote.

... ok
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