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#21 ernest

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 08:24 PM

View Postfant0m8, on 28 April 2013 - 08:10 PM, said:

With steady focus up it's more DPS for me, and with piercing shots it's more damage/focus.

I'm basing this off my current gear level and damage done to the level 90 dummy:

~30k expected damage/arcane

~70k expected damage/aimed

~75.5k expected damage/aimed with piercing included

That's 1.5k per 1 focus for arcane and 1.4k/1.51k per 1 focus for aimed.


With steady focus up my Aimed is a 1.93s cast, however, which is less time than 2 Arcanes and more damage.

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That's not the biggest reason though, because those are all sustained damage calcs. The important thing is burst. Spamming out like 8 arcane shots (including thrill of the hunt) takes way too long and doesn't do good burst damage.

The faster I can use all my focus the better my burst is. Especially in Rapid Fire, which does nothing for Arcane Shot but makes a HUGE difference for Aimed.

(And crit rate is whatever imo, eventually you will be blessed by the RNG gods and all you need is 1 string of crits to win. Just keep setting up kill opportunities and one of them will crit.)

Your math is assuming you crit everytime you cast it. Also you're forgetting that for everytime you spam aimed you have to use steady more which reduces your overall damage.

unless you're implying that your aimed shot crits for 150k

Edited by ernest, 28 April 2013 - 08:28 PM.

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 08:29 PM

View Posternest, on 28 April 2013 - 08:24 PM, said:

Your math is assuming you crit everytime you cast it. Also you're forgetting that for everytime you spam aimed you have to use steady more which reduces your overall damage.


What? No it isn't. I said dummy damage, arcane crits for 50k and aimed crits for 120k.

I used 20% crit rate for arcane and 17% for aimed.

And I said I don't care about overall damage. It's very rare that a burst window is still ongoing but I'm out of focus. Who cares if I have to steady when the healer isn't CCed or the enemy is sitting block/shield wall?
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#23 ernest

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 08:36 PM

View Postfant0m8, on 28 April 2013 - 08:29 PM, said:

What? No it isn't. I said dummy damage, arcane crits for 50k and aimed crits for 120k.

I used 20% crit rate for arcane and 17% for aimed.

And I said I don't care about overall damage. It's very rare that a burst window is still ongoing but I'm out of focus. Who cares if I have to steady when the healer isn't CCed or the enemy is sitting block/shield wall?

Dummies have 0 armor. They also have 100% health no matter what meaning that your aimed shot crits constantly. Arcane shot goes through armor.
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#24 fant0m8

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 08:47 PM

View Posternest, on 28 April 2013 - 08:36 PM, said:

Dummies have 0 armor. They also have 100% health no matter what meaning that your aimed shot crits constantly. Arcane shot goes through armor.


Do you understand basic crit math? Of course they were critting all the time, but it's not like I used recount.

They crit for ~120k, thus noncrit is ~60k.

60k * .83 + 120k * .17 = ~70k

Including piercing shots they crit for 230% damage.

60k * .83 + 138k * .17 = ~75.5k

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You have a point about armor though. It depends on the target to an extent.

Edited by fant0m8, 28 April 2013 - 08:57 PM.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 12:09 PM

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#26 fant0m8

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 10:23 PM

View PostUnseenz, on 29 April 2013 - 12:09 PM, said:

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Crows is seriously the shittiest talent I have seen since Savage Strikes (crit % on mongoose strike).

The only reason I would take it is if it literally obscured the vision of the guy I cast it on, like crows all over his monitor so he can't see his character.
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Posted 30 April 2013 - 05:10 AM

i usually use it after i kill someone and imagine the crows feasting upon their flesh

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 06:32 PM

View PostUnseenz, on 30 April 2013 - 05:10 AM, said:

i usually use it after i kill someone and imagine the crows feasting upon their flesh

When testing it I only used it becasue people who had their game sound on said it was annoying as fuck to listen to.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 01:59 PM

Biggest issue isn't even the viability of the spec, its to convince your teamates that its worth playing over BM.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 03:49 PM

As a rogue, crows is super annoying :[ It's like a really long bleed.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:38 PM

View PostAlemecia, on 02 May 2013 - 03:49 PM, said:

As a rogue, crows is super annoying :[ It's like a really long bleed.

Does cloak not remove it?
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 01:45 PM

View Postfant0m8, on 02 May 2013 - 11:38 PM, said:

Does cloak not remove it?
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 02:29 PM

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 11:25 AM

Crows #1

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 05:52 PM

Well ive been playing MM pretty much the whole season..

Im currently at 24% crit unbuffed and my deeps is sick.

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Posted 18 May 2013 - 06:50 PM

View PostJokerplex, on 15 May 2013 - 05:52 PM, said:

Well ive been playing MM pretty much the whole season..

Im currently at 24% crit unbuffed and my deeps is sick.

No comment.

Edited by Ruddx, 18 May 2013 - 06:51 PM.


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Posted 20 May 2013 - 12:34 PM

View PostNitric, on 23 April 2013 - 10:51 AM, said:

I've always liked MM more than BM, as I'm sure a lot of people here also do. I think they need to just take BW off of readiness and it'll be fine.

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 01:28 PM

nvm

l2p mm  is good xD

Edited by CreepStatus, 20 May 2013 - 01:29 PM.

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