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#41 KPul

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 07:14 PM

View PostNumbtoes, on 18 April 2013 - 06:59 PM, said:

Subterfuge has a cooldown?

no, I'm saying subterfuge isn't the issue otherwise everyone woulda cried about it last patch.. Everyone hates the way cloak and dagger works.
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#42 Aldrainíl

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 07:16 PM

blazing speed is good as fire
and i hate rogues

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 07:43 PM

View PostColdizzle, on 17 April 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

subterfuge, deadly throw and shuriken toss are retarded and and blizzard need to do anything with that.

subterfuge should work like that
When your Stealth breaks you can still use stealth abilites for 3 sec
the 3 sec invi is retarded OP

cloak and dagger combined with subterfuge is also too strong should be nerfed
with dance its ok
When he opens on you, YOU can still see him as he's only in stealth. Just like you can see a rogue standing ontop of you in stealth.

He's only invisible for your partners etc that's far away.

OT:

I can't believe people complain about a rogue doing a lot of dmg when they pop literally all their offensive cds, when all you have to do is block the dmg. Comments like "I'm already at 25 before I even get to block" is fucking retarded, either your brain got like a 5 second delay or you're just making up excuses.

Mages got as much burst as a rogue every minute with frozen orb and trinket. If you lose to a rogue in a 1v1 situation you should uninstall the game. (unless the rogue literally pops every cd incl prep, which he will never do in an arena situation- but even if he does that there's still a high chance of winning).

Edited by Hyuru, 18 April 2013 - 07:44 PM.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 07:56 PM

View PostEdhris, on 18 April 2013 - 06:44 PM, said:

Then rogues would have to keybind their stealth abilities on a non-stealth bar, right? That's probably too hard. I might be wrong I haven't played rogue in ages.



Edit: talking about if they made it allow you to use stealth abilities for 4 seconds instead of keeping you in stealth.
Would work the same way shadow dance does
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:19 PM

id be cool with a nice fat cooldown on garrote lol

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 04:41 PM

Lets put it this way:

Rogues were doing openers with dance / garrote / cs on mages for ages now.
You counter it just like you did it before — pet nova garrote and jump move forward, there is a good chance that rogue wont be able to cs.

Garrote-CS is very suboptimal opener if rogue is going for a kill because at that point he is sitting at 3 cps and 40 energy which wont allow to even evis if rogue will try to reach 5 cps.
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Posted 12 May 2013 - 06:17 PM

View PostConviqx, on 17 April 2013 - 01:38 PM, said:

Blazing speed + blink 'nough said


cant do that when silenced and does it matter anyways

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 06:38 PM

View PostZerlog, on 12 May 2013 - 06:17 PM, said:

cant do that when silenced and does it matter anyways


i love how they keep saying blink or nova the opener   when u cant move cause ur  silenced and stunned lol...  kids r dumb

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 06:50 PM

Glyph of Cheapshot and Garrote gets nerfed + find weakness if nerfed + overall burst is nerfed. CnD is also nerfed. So yeah i guess rogues aren't going to be that big of an issue next patch.

Edited by Hiddenstalke, 12 May 2013 - 06:51 PM.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 06:51 PM

I heard 5 point 120k evis followed by another 120k instant 5 point evis was hard.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 06:59 PM

View PostBalanceRexxar, on 12 May 2013 - 06:51 PM, said:

I heard 5 point 120k evis followed by another 120k instant 5 point evis was hard.

3 globals pressing 2 different buttons is complicated for some people
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Posted 12 May 2013 - 07:20 PM

Like any class is actually hard to play..
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Posted 12 May 2013 - 07:33 PM

View PostZanders, on 12 May 2013 - 07:20 PM, said:

Like any class is actually hard to play..

I assume u play Rogue with Hunter Warrior and DK alts after that statement.

Edited by Christymarie, 12 May 2013 - 07:39 PM.


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 07:34 PM

View PostLieto, on 12 May 2013 - 04:41 PM, said:

Lets put it this way:

Rogues were doing openers with dance / garrote / cs on mages for ages now.
You counter it just like you did it before — pet nova garrote and jump move forward, there is a good chance that rogue wont be able to cs.

Garrote-CS is very suboptimal opener if rogue is going for a kill because at that point he is sitting at 3 cps and 40 energy which wont allow to even evis if rogue will try to reach 5 cps.
I think you forgot premed??

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 07:55 PM

Please show us a video where mage loses a duel against a rogue.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 07:59 PM

View PostChristymarie, on 12 May 2013 - 07:33 PM, said:

I assume u play Rogue with Hunter Warrior and DK alts after that statement.
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Posted 12 May 2013 - 08:04 PM

View PostMitoo, on 12 May 2013 - 07:55 PM, said:

Please show us a video where mage loses a duel against a rogue.

Yes because when we complain about stupid crap we are talking about 1v1 or 2v2... Shh.

Edited by Christymarie, 12 May 2013 - 08:04 PM.


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 08:08 PM

the only thing about subterfuge is its annoying as fuck.  The only time i hate subterfuge is when there is a bm hunter there too that takes my hp from 100->10.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 08:13 PM

View Posthairpiece, on 12 May 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

the only thing about subterfuge is its annoying as fuck.  The only time i hate subterfuge is when there is a bm hunter there too that takes my hp from 100->10.

Not only is it annoying, it's just low skill cap. When my partner is taking damage i should be able to peel for him and i cant peel an invisible entity. the ability is dumb and makes the rogue class dumb.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 08:21 PM

View PostChristymarie, on 12 May 2013 - 08:04 PM, said:

Yes because when we complain about stupid crap we are talking about 1v1 or 2v2... Shh.

Well you made this thread to complain about 1v1 mage vs rogue, it says so in your first post?

Are you saying that as a mage you have a problem in 3v3?




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