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#21 Pawzz

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 03:53 PM

View Postvomite, on 17 April 2013 - 03:46 PM, said:

They either need to make you visible during subterfurge or make cloak and dagger not work with it so atleast they wont get instantly back after a knockback. I enjoy mongoloid thugcleaves being unpeelable for 30seconds while doing 100k dps
Visible during subterfuge would be nice, basically a short dance out of stealth.

#22 Unseenz

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 04:03 PM

View Postflannelsoff, on 17 April 2013 - 03:24 PM, said:

Blazing speed is for turtling fags and CaD is what's broken. Subterfuge just needs to break stealth

blazing speed is like 100% necessary against hunter teams. cloak and dagger is a really stupid mechanic but getting off a full dance without it is a huge pain in the ass and with the amount of outs that people have by now its almost impossible against good players that are willing to sacrifice a small defensive cooldown and negate your entire burst [icebound + spam chains,narrow escape, BLINK etc]. Subterfuge should break stealth (3 seconds of being able to use stealth abilities is cool though, id like that to stay but being invisible while youre hitting someone is really stupid)

Edited by Unseenz, 17 April 2013 - 04:08 PM.


#23 Numbtoes

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 05:09 AM

View PostUnseenz, on 17 April 2013 - 04:03 PM, said:

blazing speed is like 100% necessary against hunter teams. cloak and dagger is a really stupid mechanic but getting off a full dance without it is a huge pain in the ass and with the amount of outs that people have by now its almost impossible against good players that are willing to sacrifice a small defensive cooldown and negate your entire burst [icebound + spam chains,narrow escape, BLINK etc]. Subterfuge should break stealth (3 seconds of being able to use stealth abilities is cool though, id like that to stay but being invisible while youre hitting someone is really stupid)
The instant poly is almost always worth it against any team. Any team with a rogue/shaman or rogue/hunter you wont get many casts off anyway so having the 9 seconds to counter pressure is really nice.

#24 deprivelol

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 05:12 AM

View PostUnseenz, on 17 April 2013 - 02:26 PM, said:

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do you even cone shatter?

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 05:22 AM

why do you complain about the invis component of subterfuge?  every time a rogue enters subterfuge stage i've been able to 'fear [@arena3]' (if rogue is nr. 3) and cast a fear while i can't see him xd

e: stupid part to me is just that they garrote/cs whole team on every restealth. invis thing never bothered me as i guess all other abilities work on subterfuge the same way fear works with arena1/2/3 macros

Edited by Wallirik, 18 April 2013 - 05:31 AM.


#26 joaq

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 05:43 AM

View PostPawzz, on 17 April 2013 - 01:42 PM, said:

who plays with blazing speed rofl

10 highest rated mages in the world, 6 of them play with blazing speed. 4 use POM. obviously you change your talents according to your opponents, but since POM>ring nerf it became much less desirable. POM>pyro is still nice and POM>poly against some setups. but thats your  "lol who" right there

#27 Execx

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 06:05 AM

View PostUnseenz, on 17 April 2013 - 04:03 PM, said:

blazing speed is like 100% necessary against hunter teams. cloak and dagger is a really stupid mechanic but getting off a full dance without it is a huge pain in the ass and with the amount of outs that people have by now its almost impossible against good players that are willing to sacrifice a small defensive cooldown and negate your entire burst [icebound + spam chains,narrow escape, BLINK etc]. Subterfuge should break stealth (3 seconds of being able to use stealth abilities is cool though, id like that to stay but being invisible while youre hitting someone is really stupid)


What the what.
How is blazing necessary vs hunters?
and getting of a full dance w/o CnD is hard??? Am I being trolled? Opponents using defensive cds to peel is apart of the game and everyone has to deal with it, because you're a rogue you shouldn't? What is that logic...

#28 Unseenz

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 06:05 AM

this is now a cone shater thread
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 07:04 AM

View PostUnseenz, on 18 April 2013 - 06:05 AM, said:

this is now a cone shater thread
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actually ... with the clone glyph i was messing around once and crit someone in a frost nova for about 80k+ with a cone it was the most confusing game ever.
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#30 Unseenz

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:37 AM

cone glyph is watchmeblinks secret

#31 Coldizzle

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:42 AM

nova 3 targets NT everyone and coneofcold

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 10:28 AM

View Postjoaq, on 18 April 2013 - 05:43 AM, said:

10 highest rated mages in the world

8 of them prolly werent in the top 100 mages a few seasons ago, so your post is irrelevant, this game is a joke and you should all quit and spend your money donating to me so I can buy the new hello kittys adventure island :heart:

#33 deprivelol

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 10:39 AM

hey we were suppose to keep the cone shatters a secret

#34 Mindsmoothie

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 12:30 PM

View PostDeonto, on 17 April 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

Subterfuge should be a mini dance(you can use stealth abilities, but you can be seen). Stealth is far too noob friendly atm.

This, Dance and Incarnation allow the use of stealth abilities outside of stealth however (thankfully) they don't make you invisible for their entire duration, I don't see why subterfuge should be any different.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 02:13 PM

As a rogue, I'm having trouble understanding why I would spend the energy to cheap shot a mage in a subterfuge opener.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 06:27 PM

View PostAlemecia, on 18 April 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

As a rogue, I'm having trouble understanding why I would spend the energy to cheap shot a mage in a subterfuge opener.
In a duel, garrote cheap so they cant pet nova and walk away.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 06:36 PM

View PostNumbtoes, on 18 April 2013 - 06:27 PM, said:

In a duel, garrote cheap so they cant pet nova and walk away.

Fair enough, wasn't thinking in context of a duel. If a mage wants to use pet nova on a subterfuge re-op in arena, fine by me.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 06:44 PM

Then rogues would have to keybind their stealth abilities on a non-stealth bar, right? That's probably too hard. I might be wrong I haven't played rogue in ages.



Edit: talking about if they made it allow you to use stealth abilities for 4 seconds instead of keeping you in stealth.

Edited by Edhris, 18 April 2013 - 06:47 PM.


#39 KPul

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 06:55 PM

Did you cry this much when rogues could premed garrote > kidney before you could blink last patch?


Edit: I think what everyone is most mad about is they cant own a rogue's entire cooldown by jumping in the air and spinning in circles.

Edited by KPul, 18 April 2013 - 06:57 PM.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 06:59 PM

View PostKPul, on 18 April 2013 - 06:55 PM, said:

Did you cry this much when rogues could premed garrote > kidney before you could blink last patch?


Edit: I think what everyone is most mad about is they cant own a rogue's entire cooldown by jumping in the air and spinning in circles.
Subterfuge has a cooldown?




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