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#1 Mardz

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 12:11 AM

Hello.

Was wondering how good haste is for warriors in pvp atm? Because, saw few times on AJ some ppl talking about haste being ok for warriors. Asking mostly because I got Tyrannical boots from Nalak with crit/haste and I got s12 boots 2/2 upgraded with crit/mastery, and besides crit, I reforged my gear to mastery as secondary reforge stat. Difference isn't that big in str/pvp power/resi between those two boots, but not sure if it's better to just reforge haste to mastery from Tyrannical boots, or to keep s12 upgraded boots with crit/mastery and just buy Tyrannical boots with crit/mastery later on.

#2 Braindance

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 12:26 AM

Disregard expertise off pieces - go haste. haste+mastery>exp+crit. Reforge to crit - else to haste. If they buff our survivability in battle stance go aaaaaaaaaaall haste. For me it works perfectly

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#3 joefernandes

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 10:12 AM

actualy crit is still the best probably, then haste > mastery i think

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 10:20 AM

Not got any maths to back it up but I prefer Crit > Mastery > Haste
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 11:04 AM

View PostBraindance, on 12 April 2013 - 12:26 AM, said:

Disregard expertise off pieces - go haste. haste+mastery>exp+crit. Reforge to crit - else to haste. If they buff our survivability in battle stance go aaaaaaaaaaall haste. For me it works perfectly

how does it work for you ? are you rage starved if you're not going for haste ? if i am in b-stance i've got alot of rage even without haste gear.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 12:12 PM

Im crit atm, but I tried haste on PTR and I really feel like going back, feels like I had better rage regen as haste , just liked it more overall , slam barely crits anyway.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 06:04 AM

I like to have about average on everything, you don't need a lot of haste because it doesn't matter in d-stance, and in battle you're swimming with rage anyway.

I like to focus on crit, and then mastery/haste/expertise are all about the same
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 06:26 AM

View Postpaiku, on 12 April 2013 - 11:04 AM, said:

how does it work for you ? are you rage starved if you're not going for haste ? if i am in b-stance i've got alot of rage even without haste gear.
Nuh, doesn't matter that much in pvp because our crit is way too low and we stay in def stance too much for haste to have a greater effect. I still find haste more attractive for the limited time we are in battle due to sheer amount of haste you can get for a small rating.

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#9 Pinka

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 02:18 AM

Still playing crit > mastery > haste.
Around 17.66% crit and near 30% mastery. I still think both crit and mastery offer much more dmg in burst windows then haste does. + cs now proccing from mastery will enhance those windows even more.
Haste is more of a pressure stat. But i think the haste lvls you can get in pvp gear offer so little difference that it doesn't do any significant.

Secondly deep wounds which is a big part of our dmg + aoe pressure can crit. And isn't effected by haste at all. Where mastery adds up a lot when spamming that 1 sec global overpowers + it procs of hamstring. Which is unfortunately a part of our rotation. And again in def stance getting rage from haste doesn't work.

Edited by Pinka, 14 April 2013 - 02:21 AM.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 04:47 AM

haste is really good if you can stay in battle stance, which against most teams in 3s (mage/rogue/spriest/dk) you can really only go battle stance when stuns aren't up, but it still offers amazing regen.  I've been focusing on crit/mastery lately and really like it, and when I go fury, I actually gem crit as well as going crit reforge.  You haven't seen damage til you've played fury with ~25% crit.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 08:16 AM

what weapons are you using when you go fury?  I've never played fury and don't see any fury warriors in arena.  Can you give the basics of how it's played?
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Posted 17 April 2013 - 01:41 AM

View Postardnut, on 15 April 2013 - 08:16 AM, said:

what weapons are you using when you go fury?  I've never played fury and don't see any fury warriors in arena.  Can you give the basics of how it's played?

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:02 AM

go crit

crit > mastery > haste

haste is gay as helllllll

Edited by djp771133, 17 April 2013 - 02:41 AM.


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 11:21 AM

makes sense to me when I think of warr playstyle relying on small burst windows so any extra mastery would increase ur dmg in the window more than haste, which has been mentioned to not even affect u unless ur in battle stance. In battle stance, I have no rage problems as long as I stop myself from heroic striking more than once per full rage bar, if at all

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 12:16 PM

Right now I'm rolling Crit - Haste - Mastery. I feel like haste generates more than enough rage for me to stay 3 sec in Bstance, so yeah, imo its rather beneficial. Stupid comments like haste is dog makes me sad >_> Test it out and see for urself. It benefit u alot! =>

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 12:34 PM

View Postardnut, on 15 April 2013 - 08:16 AM, said:

what weapons are you using when you go fury?  I've never played fury and don't see any fury warriors in arena.  Can you give the basics of how it's played?

When I go fury, I play SMF. TG does have slightly better burst, but SMF has a bit more consistent damage. And the rage feels better. Another thing about SMF is that execute hits harder(actually feels like an execute again). And dragon roar becomes a viable option against some teams. Fury also has it a bit better in Dstance when compared to arms(you can use your procs while building rage for burst).

The main thing about fury is that it's not like arms in the way it deals damage. When you play arms, it's more of a smash buttons as they light up kind of spec. Basically it's more consistent in the way it deals damage and puts out pressure when compared to fury. And while you can play fury like that as well, you will most likely end up being disappointed in the results. As your overall damage will probably be lower than arms(depends on rng really).

Rather, fury is played as a build up then burst type spec. You have decent consistent damage when compared to most specs, but your main focus is building up procs/rage then going after a burst window during a CS.

So usually a burst window will look like this:

2RBs saved(can just be one)+ at least 80rage>BT(chance to proc enrage)>CS>RB+HS>BT+HS>RB+HS>RB+HS

Basically you want to get off as many attacks as you possibly can during a CS window. The main difference here though, when compared to arms, is that RB is only 10 rage. And Wild Strike is free with a blood surge proc. So it allows you to spam HS during the burst window. With full CDs popped, this is probably the most dangerous "swifty" a warrior has. But can also be frustrating if you get CCed during procs or a CS misses/gets parried/dodged

Few things about it:

1) The MS from fury is a bit more difficult to keep up. As you have to mange it. It comes from wild strikes.. which costs 30rage w/o a bloodsurge proc.

2) Dragon Roar/Execute hits harder as SMF. SMF gains a 35% damage bonus to everything(which means abilities that scale with AP mainly will do a lot more damage). As a human with full procs/self buffed(enrage, enchants, physical vul buff ect) I can easily hit Dragon Roars for around ~160-190K+ on a target that doesn't have any passive DRs. And "mini" ones will usually hit for 100k++(no avatar+banner).

3) Fury has the best cleave a warrior can offer. With meat clever and RBs, you can cleave a full set of swify RBs into another target..which usually results in a potential ~200-300k on an off target(with dragon roar...you can drop a few targets quite fast). Though, build up to this takes a bit of time/lots of rage. RB glyph can actually get some potential use.

4) You can use glyph of hindering quite easily as fury. Especially with any up time while in battle. It's ideal to use WS as a rage dump over HS(out side of CS), due to the slightly more damage and the MS debuff, but you can easily find yourself with enough rage here and there for it.

5) Fury is weaker against plate targets when compared to arms. This is obvious. Due to weaker bleeds and no sudden death for CS procs...but wanted to make it clear.,

6) You can go after crit or mastery. Mastery gives more burst potential...but crit helps with the RNG of procs. In any case, it's crit or mastery>haste. Personally, I prefer crit>mastery>haste.

7) If you have been playing arms forever...it may take you some to get use to with how fury deals damage. With decent up time, you usually won't have much of an issue getting procs and bursting every 20sec when CS is off CD. As well, using CS with a bloodsurge proc isn't bad(so spamming WS with HS instead of RBs. obv RBs>WS though).

8) Due to the nature of fury you will find yourself with a lot more free GCDs when compared to arms. Makes keeping up hamstring easier.

Fury is not bad. Arms does more consistent pressure, but fury has good burst. Main issue with fury is lack of crits/procs, though. You can be insanely lucky with procs and have good pressure building up to a CS burst moment... but you can also be unlucky and find yourself delaying CS or having to use zerker rage for damage.

Overall though, fury feels a lot more "smoother" than arms. While Dstance does hurt your damage a fair bit, you can at least use things as they come up. And with juggernaut+bull rush fury is insanely smooth while in Dstance. I feel fury is less frustrating to play atm if you know how to play it.

This post should have been put into it's own thread.....

Edited by Deonto, 17 April 2013 - 12:48 PM.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 03:01 PM

Wow if that is the basics I'd hate to see you go into detail! ;)

Thanks for the advice +rep

Edit: Some questions

1) Are the comps the same or do you need to run different comps as fury?

2) Is the survivability the same?

3) how high have u gone with fury compared to your arms?

4) what are the counters to the spec?

Edited by ardnut, 17 April 2013 - 03:04 PM.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 10:30 PM

View Postardnut, on 17 April 2013 - 03:01 PM, said:

Wow if that is the basics I'd hate to see you go into detail! ;)

Thanks for the advice +rep

Edit: Some questions

1) Are the comps the same or do you need to run different comps as fury?

2) Is the survivability the same?

3) how high have u gone with fury compared to your arms?

4) what are the counters to the spec?

1) Comps are pretty much the same. KFC with Dragon Roar can be really stupid at times. It's also dumb when paired with a rogue.

2) Arms has the luxury of using the MS glyph(10% healing). Out side of that, it's completely the same(small heal from BT.. but it isn't that useful).

3)2.2-2.3k MMR this season.. but haven't taken this season too seriously so far(so my experience is a little limited). Arms is pretty much the same this season.

4)Nothing really comes to mind. Fighting a triple plate cleave (tsg) can be annoying for the spec, though. Other than that, it's pretty much the same as arms in this regard.
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 12:20 PM

i ll try fury the second i get a nice pve weapon for my mainhand :)

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 10:02 PM

View PostEnyalius, on 17 April 2013 - 12:16 PM, said:

Right now I'm rolling Crit - Haste - Mastery. I feel like haste generates more than enough rage for me to stay 3 sec in Bstance, so yeah, imo its rather beneficial. Stupid comments like haste is dog makes me sad >_> Test it out and see for urself. It benefit u alot! =>

Not sure if this guy even did his own testing before posting.  To all fellow warriors that are still confused about this, best stat for warrior is still crit > mastery > haste.  Tried haste and tested it myself.  Simple math.

Even if you go full haste setting @ 20%+ haste compare to our good old (crit > mastery > haste) setting, you only get one more white swing every 20 seconds for mere 12 extra rage.  This is also assuming you had a full uptime on your target during that 20 seconds and you have to be in battle stance while you are getting that one extra white swing which is really unlikely in our current arena situation.

Another common misunderstanding about haste is its effect on deep wounds.  No, haste does not effect deep wound ticks at all.
Crit actually does!  Just to give you a slight idea, I lost around 170K damage from just the deep wounds ticks in 100 second duration because of the less crit chance I have with full haste setting.

So if there are still some of you warriors out there thinking haste is the way to go, think again and reforge back to crit and mastery.
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