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#1 Pouncedd

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 06:40 PM

If you take a look at powershot now its a 45 sec cd with a 2.2 Sec cast instead of 3 now but does only 600% wep dmg compared to 800%

Thoughts?

Edit: Oh its 15 focus instead of 20 now too ;p

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 06:43 PM

This is a boss change both for hunters and for their opponents, but where do you see this? I can't seem to find it anywhere.

View Postjustchecking, on 10 November 2014 - 11:58 PM, said:

Going to blizzcon looking for a fight is like going to the official wow arena forums for pvp advice :)

View PostRenaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

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bro you got +rep'd by rapture...

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 06:45 PM

View PostBraindance, on 09 April 2013 - 06:43 PM, said:

This is a boss change both for hunters and for their opponents, but where do you see this? I can't seem to find it anywhere.

Its live right now I'm looking at it in game =O

Edit: Honestly this is still crazy cuss with swift blade from rogues its like a 2 sec cast or maybe even 1.9 And with rapid fire up less than 1.6 so its going to be easier to get off.....

Honestly not going to one hit anyone but still going to hit like a truck and compliment our burst very well still...

Edited by Pouncedd, 09 April 2013 - 06:47 PM.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 06:46 PM

Its live, but haven't been anounced yet. They made a change so they can hotfix tooltips without major patch not too long ago.

Good Change.

Can they fix BM now?

Edited by GrieverZ, 09 April 2013 - 06:47 PM.


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 06:47 PM

Lol I can only hope they hotfix warriors too :DD

View Postjustchecking, on 10 November 2014 - 11:58 PM, said:

Going to blizzcon looking for a fight is like going to the official wow arena forums for pvp advice :)

View PostRenaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

View Postsimonfra1234, on 25 August 2011 - 08:46 PM, said:

bro you got +rep'd by rapture...

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 06:48 PM

I'm no mathmagician but I'm pretty sure this will still be critting 130k~ and upwards without tricks of the trade
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 06:49 PM

View PostBraindance, on 09 April 2013 - 06:47 PM, said:

Lol I can only hope they hotfix warriors too :DD

Whats wrong with Warriors outside lacking a bit of mitigation? Idk, face plenty of them on my bgroup at 2200+.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 06:51 PM

I wonder if glaive toss is going to be better now.. More frequent damage and it hits fairly hard iirc. =o

But honestly I'm not surprised to see it get nerfed.

That's not saying it won't still be good when it hits the target.

Edited by pyrellael_3428244, 09 April 2013 - 06:52 PM.


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 06:51 PM

View PostGrieverZ, on 09 April 2013 - 06:46 PM, said:

Its live, but haven't been anounced yet. They made a change so they can hotfix tooltips without major patch not too long ago.

Good Change.

Can they fix BM now?

Fix BM how.... Power shot one hitting people was pretty much the major problem they are also changing our 2 pc now to not give us over 3k PVP power when we rapid fire. And the PVE trinket also doesn't help and makes us seem super OP....

2 piece change + this change + them nerfing this PVE trinket some how will help tame our burst.
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 06:51 PM

View PostGrieverZ, on 09 April 2013 - 06:49 PM, said:

Whats wrong with Warriors outside lacking a bit of mitigation? Idk, face plenty of them on my bgroup at 2200+.
Not quite a bit - a lot. I don't want to have to play every game as if I was playing 2.8k opponents vs 2.2-2.3k teams that just tunnel me till I run out of cds and flop over (whilst doing minimal damage cause I am forced in d-stance). of course, if you have an sp or a mage it's easier but I have a lock so we are both target dummies.

View Postjustchecking, on 10 November 2014 - 11:58 PM, said:

Going to blizzcon looking for a fight is like going to the official wow arena forums for pvp advice :)

View PostRenaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

View Postsimonfra1234, on 25 August 2011 - 08:46 PM, said:

bro you got +rep'd by rapture...

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 06:53 PM

View Postpyrellael_3428244, on 09 April 2013 - 06:51 PM, said:

I wonder if glaive toss is going to be better now.. More frequent damage and it hits fairly hard iirc. =o

But honestly I'm not surprised to see it get nerfed.

Honestly though Powershot will be much more reliable and much easier to get off now.... To many times I've been casting it and right at the end it gets stopped so it should be quick enough now. Also the lower CD means you can burst more often I suppose I think this change will be good.
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 06:54 PM

View PostPouncedd, on 09 April 2013 - 06:53 PM, said:

Honestly though Powershot will be much more reliable and much easier to get off now.... To many times I've been casting it and right at the end it gets stopped so it should be quick enough now. Also the lower CD means you can burst more often I suppose I think this change will be good.
Oh wow I didn't notice the cd reduction or cast time reudction rofl. Nevermind this is basically a buff. I'm fine with seeing burst reduction though :D

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 06:54 PM

View PostPouncedd, on 09 April 2013 - 06:51 PM, said:

Fix BM how.... Power shot one hitting people was pretty much the major problem they are also changing our 2 pc now to not give us over 3k PVP power when we rapid fire. And the PVE trinket also doesn't help and makes us seem super OP....

2 piece change + this change + them nerfing this PVE trinket some how will help tame our burst.

Intimidation being still in the game while BM has access to Silencing shot, triple trinkets, Blink Strike scaling with Mastery while no other talents scale with it for the two other specs are all good areas to look at.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 07:00 PM

View PostGrieverZ, on 09 April 2013 - 06:54 PM, said:

Intimidation being still in the game while BM has access to Silencing shot, triple trinkets, Blink Strike scaling with Mastery while no other talents scale with it for the two other specs are all good areas to look at.

They need to find some way to make marks and SV more appealing. The answer isn't to nerf BM to the point where marks is better how does that help?

There are so many garbage talents like Dire beast Murder of crows Barrage that need to be changed or buffed or something.

One change that I think would help marks out tons without buffing its DPS to much in PVE is to make Wild quiver (MM Master) Nature dmg like it was in WOTLK instead of physical dmg.

Also the ability to curve our spells around walls like in wanted to be like BM somewhat.


















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Posted 09 April 2013 - 07:03 PM

The only thing about BM that bugs me is the reduction on their pet cc versus marks and survival. It's 30% less for all pet abilities IIRC. Stuff like webwrap and crane sleep shouldn't get reduced cds. It'll be a step in the right direction

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 07:10 PM

View PostPouncedd, on 09 April 2013 - 07:00 PM, said:

They need to find some way to make marks and SV more appealing. The answer isn't to nerf BM to the point where marks is better how does that help?

There are so many garbage talents like Dire beast Murder of crows Barrage that need to be changed or buffed or something.

One change that I think would help marks out tons without buffing its DPS to much in PVE is to make Wild quiver (MM Master) Nature dmg like it was in WOTLK instead of physical dmg.

Also the ability to curve our spells around walls like in wanted to be like BM somewhat.


















Last one not srs

I don't think MM needs buffs tbh, its completly fine as it is. Only 2 things bugging me atm is Aimed Shot being close to worthless on anything over leather and its outshined by Powershot anyway, giving it Arp and reducing the cast time would fix that but meh.

The other thing is our mastery being complete shit tbh, and its unfitting. Marks is suposed to be a "sniper" type burst spec, not a fucking gattling gun. Reworking Piercing Shots as our mastery, or changing our Mastery to Arp again would be better imo, but thats just my opinion. Neither changes are needed for Marks to be viable.

Atm BM is out of hand, powershot had little to do with it, it gained every single advantage from other specs (save for entrapment, that MM also lost) without losing anything it had before. How is it normal that it gained Readiness without losing Bestial Wrath, or Indimidation without losing Silencing Shot or sting while the other 2 specs gained nothing from the BM tree?

Don't get me wrong, i don't want BM to become unplayable for the people that actually play the spec because they enjoy it, i just don't want it to be the forced "go-to" spec for every single competitive Hunters, and i don't want it to become the next Shadow Priests where 90% of the team in duelist range and above includes a Hunter, and if BM stays untouched, its going to happen when Spriests gets balanced.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 07:12 PM

View PostGrieverZ, on 09 April 2013 - 07:10 PM, said:

I don't think MM needs buffs tbh, its completly fine as it is. Only 2 things bugging me atm is Aimed Shot being close to worthless on anything over leather and its outshined by Powershot anyway, giving it Arp and reducing the cast time would fix that but meh.

The other thing is our mastery being complete shit tbh, and its unfitting. Marks is suposed to be a "sniper" type burst spec, not a fucking gattling gun. Reworking Piercing Shots as our mastery, or changing our Mastery to Arp again would be better imo, but thats just my opinion. Neither changes are needed for Marks to be viable.

Atm BM is out of hand, powershot had little to do with it, it gained every single advantage from other specs (save for entrapment, that MM also lost) without losing anything it had before. How is it normal that it gained Readiness without losing Bestial Wrath, or Indimidation without losing Silencing Shot or sting while the other 2 specs gained nothing from the BM tree?

Don't get me wrong, i don't want BM to become unplayable for the people that actually play the spec because they enjoy it, i just don't want it to be the forced "go-to" spec for every single competitive Hunters, and i don't want it to become the next Shadow Priests where 90% of the team in duelist range and above includes a Hunter, and if BM stays untouched, its going to happen when Spriests gets balanced.

I know this sounds hard for all them other hunters out there but I don't think readiness should reset Bestial Wrath.... 1 min CD is enough to wait out IMO
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 07:21 PM

good change, hunters along with several other classes needed burst tweaking, this was the best way to remedy it

Edited by Braindeadly, 09 April 2013 - 07:22 PM.


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 10:43 PM

eeeeenteresting.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:57 PM

View PostGrieverZ, on 09 April 2013 - 07:10 PM, said:

I don't think MM needs buffs tbh, its completly fine as it is. Only 2 things bugging me atm is Aimed Shot being close to worthless on anything over leather and its outshined by Powershot anyway, giving it Arp and reducing the cast time would fix that but meh.

The other thing is our mastery being complete shit tbh, and its unfitting. Marks is suposed to be a "sniper" type burst spec, not a fucking gattling gun. Reworking Piercing Shots as our mastery, or changing our Mastery to Arp again would be better imo, but thats just my opinion. Neither changes are needed for Marks to be viable.

Atm BM is out of hand, powershot had little to do with it, it gained every single advantage from other specs (save for entrapment, that MM also lost) without losing anything it had before. How is it normal that it gained Readiness without losing Bestial Wrath, or Indimidation without losing Silencing Shot or sting while the other 2 specs gained nothing from the BM tree?

Don't get me wrong, i don't want BM to become unplayable for the people that actually play the spec because they enjoy it, i just don't want it to be the forced "go-to" spec for every single competitive Hunters, and i don't want it to become the next Shadow Priests where 90% of the team in duelist range and above includes a Hunter, and if BM stays untouched, its going to happen when Spriests gets balanced.

So why you weren't mad at  cata? One spec was viable whole expansion. You can't have 3 specs viable, why? It's all based on PVE. PVE is first, if spec is bad in PVP and OP in PVE it won't get boost at all. You don't like BM so u want it nerfed? The change is good, no burst but sustained DMG. Making readines for all specs let them be viable, readines resets all cds so BW gets reseted too. I would just lower the burst, Power Shot won't one shot without pve trinket and after change (i think). But who knows, the only thing I would agree with you is the thing how s it gonna be with nerfed shadow priests. The MD and stuff, priests are REALLY popular class now, it's on tops of every ladders, if the MD thing goes live it's gonna be a bit messed if bm stays how it stays now, not sure but who knows.




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