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Posted 09 April 2013 - 08:38 PM

View PostDeonto, on 09 April 2013 - 08:14 PM, said:

All good changes. And the ST change definitely feels like a nerf(same damage overall, but less CPs). Gateway change is also good.

And as much as I liked the new warrior set bonus, it's good that it was changed(warriors were going to be too tanky with it). Although, I hope they change it from a disarm reduction to something else before the patch goes live.

the burst has doubled, and thats what ends games. In three globals shurikan toss can do 300k damage with this change. They shouldve just doubled the energy cost and left the damage the same+give a 10-15 second cooldown on deadly throw

Edited by Radejjj, 09 April 2013 - 08:40 PM.


#22 Deonto

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 08:48 PM

View PostBraindance, on 09 April 2013 - 08:23 PM, said:

Tell me, do you feel tanky in defensive stance now? Cause I don't with 69% res.

You have to think of it relative to other classes. In the case of warriors, you would go from Dstance(25% damage reduction) to a 10% reduction(Bstance). So once a warrior finally left Dstance, he would still be taking reduced damage when compared to most. And would also be doing... a lot of damage. In some sense, It just wouldn't feel like the warrior was making himself that vulnerable.

I mean, it seems to be blizzards thing with these damage reduction with melee now(making it possible for you to be caught/give up damage). Rogues have feint which they can be caught w/o, DKs might not just sit in blood 100% now and warriors need to stance dance to put out good pressure.

In short, it's a trade off to have a damage reduction. And blizzard wants you to be exposed at some times. Which is fine. I know that 10% wasn't a lot, and warriors could still easily be killed through it. Just would seem.. over the top to have a 25% reduction to survive stuns/burst then a 10% reduction while you're going crazy with damage.

Still, I hope they change our 4-piece to something else. Maybe something to give us more utility.

Edited by Deonto, 09 April 2013 - 08:52 PM.


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 08:53 PM

Is the gateway killable while its gaining charges? If so then what is the point of even getting one depending on their health pools?
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 08:56 PM

View PostRadejjj, on 09 April 2013 - 08:38 PM, said:

the burst has doubled, and thats what ends games. In three globals shurikan toss can do 300k damage with this change.

Hahahahah

Wait, you're serious? If you're losing to shuriken toss "burst" you deserve to lose.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 09:06 PM

View PostAlemecia, on 09 April 2013 - 08:56 PM, said:

Hahahahah

Wait, you're serious? If you're losing to shuriken toss "burst" you deserve to lose.

I'm saying if this change goes live shurikan burst will double. Its going to be NON critting for 40k-50k, and its spammable. if you start spamming at max energy you can get 4-5 off in a row at 40 energy a piece, thats 200k damage with no crits, from 40 yards.

Edited by Radejjj, 09 April 2013 - 09:09 PM.


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 09:30 PM

View PostDeonto, on 09 April 2013 - 08:48 PM, said:

You have to think of it relative to other classes. In the case of warriors, you would go from Dstance(25% damage reduction) to a 10% reduction(Bstance). So once a warrior finally left Dstance, he would still be taking reduced damage when compared to most. And would also be doing... a lot of damage. In some sense, It just wouldn't feel like the warrior was making himself that vulnerable.

I mean, it seems to be blizzards thing with these damage reduction with melee now(making it possible for you to be caught/give up damage). Rogues have feint which they can be caught w/o, DKs might not just sit in blood 100% now and warriors need to stance dance to put out good pressure.

In short, it's a trade off to have a damage reduction. And blizzard wants you to be exposed at some times. Which is fine. I know that 10% wasn't a lot, and warriors could still easily be killed through it. Just would seem.. over the top to have a 25% reduction to survive stuns/burst then a 10% reduction while you're going crazy with damage.

Still, I hope they change our 4-piece to something else. Maybe something to give us more utility.
The problem is, we are not designed like rogues or dks. We don't have short cd defensive cooldowns to keep up like ams or cloak.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 09:45 PM

View PostBraindance, on 09 April 2013 - 09:30 PM, said:

The problem is, we are not designed like rogues or dks. We don't have short cd defensive cooldowns to keep up like ams or cloak.

Yes, true, but we all know how strong 25% Dstance + Second Wind is. I think that makes up for our lack luster defensive CDs.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 09:48 PM

kind of confused with every warlock that cries about their class right now? they have a tier 1 comp right now in MLS, which only looks like its going to be stronger in 5.3 with the nerfs to shadow priests. That's a lot more that can be said about many other classes that are struggling right now.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 10:03 PM

If the gate can be killed, can it also be healed?

Edited by Synkz, 09 April 2013 - 10:03 PM.


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 10:23 PM

View PostKurum, on 09 April 2013 - 09:48 PM, said:

kind of confused with every warlock that cries about their class right now? they have a tier 1 comp right now in MLS, which only looks like its going to be stronger in 5.3 with the nerfs to shadow priests. That's a lot more that can be said about many other classes that are struggling right now.
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 10:26 PM

well, idk with blades and dalaran change, gateway being attackable isnt really needed at all xD

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 10:31 PM

View PostKurum, on 09 April 2013 - 09:48 PM, said:

kind of confused with every warlock that cries about their class right now? they have a tier 1 comp right now in MLS, which only looks like its going to be stronger in 5.3 with the nerfs to shadow priests. That's a lot more that can be said about many other classes that are struggling right now.
that's completely retarded thing to say. Just because we have a semi-good comp to play, we should ignore the fact our class is designed completely wrong and makes us practically useless?

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 10:31 PM

Any news on the PVE trinkets in PVP?

It's impossible to win a Thug Cleave that saps your healer and opens on you with all their cds (PVE trinket always proccs in the opener)

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 10:40 PM

View PostBaksteen, on 09 April 2013 - 10:31 PM, said:

Any news on the PVE trinkets in PVP?

It's impossible to win a Thug Cleave that saps your healer and opens on you with all their cds (PVE trinket always proccs in the opener)

PHD is even worse with those trinkets tbh. But yeah its dumb and needed to be fixed, idk at worse just make it proc 4k agi and half the ICD. Would already fix some of the burst.

Best would be to make it not proc agains't players but GL with that...

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 10:59 PM

View PostBaksteen, on 09 April 2013 - 10:31 PM, said:

Any news on the PVE trinkets in PVP?

It's impossible to win a Thug Cleave that saps your healer and opens on you with all their cds (PVE trinket always proccs in the opener)

Last time I checked Twitter, Holinka said something that he's working on PvE trinkets (specially agi/str ones). Probably nothing's going to change until 5.3...
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:02 PM

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:45 PM

Won't even matter with the new stairs on dala & those new ramps on Blade Edge you won't it off anyway..

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 01:42 AM

View PostIcekingx, on 09 April 2013 - 11:45 PM, said:

Won't even matter with the new stairs on dala & those new ramps on Blade Edge you won't it off anyway..

They're not putting the ramps up in blades edge.  Only the steps in Dalaran.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 02:49 AM

View PostNtundi, on 10 April 2013 - 01:42 AM, said:

They're not putting the ramps up in blades edge.  Only the steps in Dalaran.

They are still putting ramps in I'm pretty sure. Just not the current design on PTR right now.
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 03:50 AM

they should nerd other classes damage instead of buffing warlocks
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