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#21 Polsk

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 11:25 AM

U can compare how  rogues and dks are now with how warriors were with 5 stack + blanket silences

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 12:49 PM

View PostPolsk, on 05 April 2013 - 11:25 AM, said:

U can compare how  rogues and dks are now with how warriors were with 5 stack + blanket silences

Ahhh the good old days
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 01:33 PM

Are you serious? Rogues aren't even close to god mode 5.1 Warriors.
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 01:37 PM

View PostZong, on 05 April 2013 - 01:33 PM, said:

Are you serious? Rogues aren't even close to god mode 5.1 Warriors.

God mode was 5.0... it was more Jesus mode in 5.1
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 03:23 PM

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#26 Phillol

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 03:37 PM

View PostZerlog, on 05 April 2013 - 06:54 AM, said:

wait till you see an unholy dk with 15% runeweapon strenght proc, 20% passive from talents and that 1.5k/1sec trinket that ends up with 15k str + that 8.8k one + all cds cause pets scale with attack power (your around 88-100k ap) my dk is around 40k all procs (normal honnor gear) so i doubt thats not OP
100k AP holy shit I wish and you act like we can just run with 0 resil and just every PVE slot in the game, im not a mage here

#27 Dagin

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 03:46 PM

View PostPhillol, on 05 April 2013 - 03:37 PM, said:

100k AP holy shit I wish and you act like we can just run with 0 resil and just every PVE slot in the game, im not a mage here

That Zerlog kid has been in every thread comlaining about anything that isnt a mage or rogue.
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#28 Braindance

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:24 PM

View PostGrieverZ, on 05 April 2013 - 06:48 AM, said:

http://www.wowhead.com/item=94356
http://www.wowhead.com/item=94511

3900 agi proc vs 8800 agi proc not counting the 30% increased agility sub has baseline from the Sinister Calling passive (wich obviously scales better with the PvE trinket).

Its not even comparable.

In term of overall damage, i agree its probably only a 10% increase because of the flat 5% damage loss from PvP power, but in term of pure burst potential, the PvE trinket is far, far better. Another often overlooked fact is that the Hit rating on the trinket allows rogue to pretty much ignore the stat in their gearing and stack even more mastery increasing their burst potential even further. 120k+ Evis crits are very common with that proc up.

Rogues in full PvP gear are fine, this trinket just scales too well with Sub's gameplay.

Deja Vu (http://www.wowhead.com/item=59520).
What you forget is the power which is active outside and during the proc.

It is not so effective for hunters because powershot scales with weapon damage. It is more effective for rogue because eviscerate scales with attackpower. It is super effective for dks (that no one has mentioned thus far) because many of unholy's abilites scale extremely well with attack power (including a 100% coefficient on necrotic strike's absorption).

All in all, it is a strong trinket, but it's not gamebreaking, and most certainly, not to blame for all those one shots.

And don't forget, items will be downscaled to 496 ilvl, which means items like this will take a significant hit.

View PostZerstiren, on 14 August 2011 - 01:21 AM, said:

If you haven't +repped this guy, you are part of the problem.

View PostRenaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

View Postsimonfra1234, on 25 August 2011 - 08:46 PM, said:

bro you got +rep'd by rapture...

#29 Zanders

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:31 PM

View Postkazuhmeer, on 05 April 2013 - 08:02 AM, said:

keeping up your 30% mitigation is really challenging so that you don't die in a single stun.  theres honestly no reason not to just keep it up if you even suspect a swap.  

i approve of this message, bring warriors back.
  energy is the reason.
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 06:09 PM

View Postkazuhmeer, on 05 April 2013 - 08:02 AM, said:

keeping up your 30% mitigation is really challenging so that you don't die in a single stun.  theres honestly no reason not to just keep it up if you even suspect a swap.  

i approve of this message, bring warriors back.
Cant sit in feint stance entire game m8 have to actually use energy, if your not ccd-> into stun dead so cant even feint.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 06:34 PM

Just take away the casting speed debuffs of necrotic strike and mind-numbing and then their lockdown wont be nearly as annoying. I think rogue damage is fine.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:14 PM

would rather face any rogue team than any hunter team
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:17 PM

can they please get rid of subterfuge & cloak and dagger...

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:21 PM

how about they do something about melee cleaves taking no skill cya

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:41 PM

View PostVesthisBB, on 05 April 2013 - 07:21 PM, said:

how about they do something about melee cleaves taking no skill cya
Yeah, and spell cleaves take more skill than melee cleaves. No, really.

View PostZerstiren, on 14 August 2011 - 01:21 AM, said:

If you haven't +repped this guy, you are part of the problem.

View PostRenaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

View Postsimonfra1234, on 25 August 2011 - 08:46 PM, said:

bro you got +rep'd by rapture...

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:48 PM

View PostSnackumz, on 05 April 2013 - 07:17 PM, said:

can they please get rid of subterfuge & cloak and dagger...
i wouldnt mind that if they got rid of mannoroths fury
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 08:44 PM

View Postmimmick, on 05 April 2013 - 06:09 PM, said:

Cant sit in feint stance entire game m8 have to actually use energy, if your not ccd-> into stun dead so cant even feint.

seriously every good rogue i play (woundman, reckful, flaberz), keeps feint up if i even breath on them as a warrior.  i'll post the vods later, stop being mongos and using 120 energy on ambushes if you think thats the problem.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:05 PM

View PostKPul, on 05 April 2013 - 07:48 PM, said:

i wouldnt mind that if they got rid of mannoroths fury

i wouldnt mind some pics

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:10 PM

View Postmajorblood, on 05 April 2013 - 08:03 AM, said:

bring back affliction warlocks
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:46 PM

View PostPhillol, on 05 April 2013 - 03:37 PM, said:

100k AP holy shit I wish and you act like we can just run with 0 resil and just every PVE slot in the game, im not a mage here

MAGES CAN WEAR PVE GEAR?!?

POINT ME IN THE DIRECTION OF THIS HERE MAGE THAT WEARS PLATE.
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