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#161 Lolflay

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 02:35 PM

View PostDakkrothy, on 02 April 2013 - 02:09 PM, said:

as much as I like these changes for spriests its just gonna make them easier to play... I already thought spriests looks like the most braindead caster to play right now. Now when their most reactive tools  MD and healthswap is gone its really gonna be hard for them to seperate in skill from other spriests





maybe im wrong ;(

SPs became very unenjoyable and straightforward class back in s9 due to some dumbing down from Blizzard, I wasn't around but I imagine even more so after dispel was removed, so I can't imagine how could you be wrong here.

If they're starting to tackle WoW PVP balance ( about time if they are ), I'd expect even more homogenisation across the board - damage dealers dealing similar damage, in very predictable way while having little to no utility while healers would get similar fate, except for added utility.

WoW PvP could very well be fixed completely if they simply stripped everyone down to the basics for a time and then reimagined classes over a period of time, that's the only logical and manageable fix they can do at this point.

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#162 sarma

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 02:37 PM

View PostAnother, on 02 April 2013 - 12:49 PM, said:

I don't understand all the people crying about DKs atm, only thing that needs nerf is Asphyxiate which should be 45 sec cd at least and dispellable. Survivability doesn't need a nerf, you will still die vs top teams.

Unholy dk in blood presence with conversion up wont die to anything on this planet unless person that plays that dk has down syndrome and his partners are terribad. Needs a nerf period its too good.

Its the same for frost dks - however frost dks cant put up as close pressure as unholy while sitting in blood presence
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#163 Kriff

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 02:37 PM

Thinking about this again, I think an appropriate nerf would be to remove/change Glyph of Dark Binding and stick with this MD change but bring back lifeswap.

Glyph of Dark Binding is one of the things that contributes to making the class brain dead. You can just spam pom and renew without any care in the world, which is a significant part of our off-heals. Thus, removing the glyph would add a penalty for using them while being trained and would greatly reduce their impact.

#164 Beckinsalelol

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 02:38 PM

These spriest tears taste so good.

Destro gon get chu now.

#165 Ermurazorqt

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 02:39 PM

I'm surprised not more Resto Shamans are freaking out, since 99% of all shaman's play with a shadow priest that babysit's them with MD and Lifeswap. This is a direct nerf to Resto Shaman's as well. I think it's gonna be easier to separate bad Shaman's from good Shaman's as well if these changes go live since they have less support now.

#166 Roboswag

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 02:40 PM

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 02:44 PM

They need to substitute that lvl 87 talent then for shadow with something else not just completely remove for shadow from arena. Not the way to balance things.

Edited by a1entity, 02 April 2013 - 03:25 PM.


#168 Structural

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 02:58 PM

View PostTalbadar, on 02 April 2013 - 05:45 AM, said:

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#169 Ancyfex

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 03:01 PM

Now let's move over to totemic restoration and bm hunters!

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 03:08 PM

View Postsarma, on 02 April 2013 - 02:37 PM, said:

Unholy dk in blood presence with conversion up wont die to anything on this planet unless person that plays that dk has down syndrome and his partners are terribad. Needs a nerf period its too good.

Its the same for frost dks - however frost dks cant put up as close pressure as unholy while sitting in blood presence

i'm talking about top teams here, not random 2.4k teams. i've also played phd this season and vs every dk team we just tunnel dk and they die through blood presence and conversion (ive actually met you aswell and u died same way, and i wasnt even playing phd)

#171 Darthgnoe

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 03:10 PM

View PostAnother, on 02 April 2013 - 12:49 PM, said:

I don't understand all the people crying about DKs atm, only thing that needs nerf is Asphyxiate which should be 45 sec cd at least and dispellable. Survivability doesn't need a nerf, you will still die vs top teams.

This. Burst teams easily kill you through conversion, especially cuz battle fatigue +ms..  It's only really awesome vs pressure teams that take you down slowly

#172 Dakkrothy

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 03:11 PM

View PostErmurazorqt, on 02 April 2013 - 02:39 PM, said:

I'm surprised not more Resto Shamans are freaking out, since 99% of all shaman's play with a shadow priest that babysit's them with MD and Lifeswap. This is a direct nerf to Resto Shaman's as well. I think it's gonna be easier to separate bad Shaman's from good Shaman's as well if these changes go live since they have less support now.

rshamans can just play with locks instead, they bring better survival vs many comps.. believe it or not (assuming u get a demonic gateway up)


However, spriests got way better survival than ua locks right now thanks to being able to get healer out of cc + health swap etc, I think locks will be on par or slightly better than spriests next patch

we'll see!

#173 Milanah_6538907

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 03:20 PM

Okay lets see, MD is in the game since when? Oh right, since WOTLK. Always had the same effect and never been a problem, so why do u start crying about it now? Too bad to actually interrupt the Priest from casting it? Same goes for Void Shift, yes it's an extremely powerful ability, but just because 99% of the players are dogshit and just tunnel healers down w/o cc'ing the Priest so he can easily get his void shift through it doesn't mean it has to be nerfed imo. This game has such a ton of cc now and people just don't use it because they are blinded by the stupid amount of damage almost every class can put out in a few seconds.

Let's see: a KFC tunnels the Priest, they Scatter-> Trap the Healer and he's sitting it. Now the priest will of course try to MD it, but you know what? Warrior STUNS him with one of his 2 stuns he's got or the hunter uses his SILENCING SHOT or PET STUN to actually prevent the Priest from casting it. Even most healers can just stun you or just interrupt you in this cast with the amount of cast delay you get from hits you take when you don't have a shield up. Repeat this 3 times and the game is over. Congrats you just won the game cause  you tunneled the priest the whole game so he doesn't get out anything cause he actually has to cast to do proper damage.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 03:22 PM

View PostMilanah_6538907, on 02 April 2013 - 03:20 PM, said:

Too bad to actually interrupt the Priest from casting it?

Lol'd

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 03:25 PM

View PostMilanah_6538907, on 02 April 2013 - 03:20 PM, said:

Too bad to actually interrupt the Priest from casting it?

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 03:25 PM

View PostDarthgnoe, on 02 April 2013 - 03:22 PM, said:

Lol'd

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 03:26 PM

View PostDarthgnoe, on 02 April 2013 - 03:22 PM, said:

Lol'd

Of course you laugh about it cause you're a stupid dk that doesn't have to interrupt anyone. Just spam necrotic all day and win the game cause the player never gets healed again.

#178 Mbgz

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 03:27 PM

View PostMilanah_6538907, on 02 April 2013 - 03:26 PM, said:

Of course you laugh about it cause you're a stupid dk that doesn't have to interrupt anyone. Just spam necrotic all day and win the game cause the player never gets healed again.

quoted for truth, to many times you fake all interrupts from a dk and still die. due to their overpowered damage and necrotic strikes. Act now blizzard.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 03:35 PM

View PostHotted, on 02 April 2013 - 12:30 AM, said:



uhhh, yeah no

Uhh, yeah, yes. Symbiosis granting such major defensives is just bad design, it should have granted fun flavor abilities from the beginning.

#180 Jamiepaladin

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 03:38 PM

View PostDakkrothy, on 02 April 2013 - 03:11 PM, said:

rshamans can just play with locks instead, they bring better survival vs many comps.. believe it or not (assuming u get a demonic gateway up)


However, spriests got way better survival than ua locks right now thanks to being able to get healer out of cc + health swap etc, I think locks will be on par or slightly better than spriests next patch

we'll see!
they still need to buff locks dmg for them to be compared to spriests even after the nerfs, currently it doesnt matter if the lock has dots on entire team free casting, just as long as the other dps is locked down nothing will die ;p the only good locks are for atm is demonic gateway, healthstone and random ua dispells by braindead healers :(

cba england havnt slept :(

Edited by Jamiepaladin, 02 April 2013 - 03:44 PM.





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