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#141 Moosex

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 11:01 AM

View Postsarma, on 02 April 2013 - 05:26 AM, said:

sp nerfed , mages are next ?

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Edited by Moosex, 02 April 2013 - 11:03 AM.

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#142 Elorxo

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 11:30 AM

why aren't hunters nerfed yet?

#143 flannelsoff

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 11:51 AM

Buff warlocks

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 11:53 AM

I duno if anybody remembers the spec called "elemental", its one of the shaman dps spec's, and guess what, they dont have spirit link. So why should shadow have the biggest defensive cooldown of healer priests?

#145 Vizour

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 12:26 PM

This change will prob seperate the dog priest from the good ones.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 12:32 PM

View Postvomite, on 02 April 2013 - 11:53 AM, said:

I duno if anybody remembers the spec called "elemental", its one of the shaman dps spec's, and guess what, they dont have spirit link. So why should shadow have the biggest defensive cooldown of healer priests?
because its a spell they gain at lvl 87 not a talent dog

#147 Djandawg

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 12:32 PM

View PostVizour, on 02 April 2013 - 12:26 PM, said:

This change will prob seperate the dog priest from the good ones.
Yeah and these changes are considered almost buffs by most class authorities.

#148 Falla

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 12:32 PM

View PostApsco60, on 02 April 2013 - 01:51 AM, said:

King shadow is now dethroned

and the hunter overlords will still be at the top

#149 Another

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 12:49 PM

I don't understand all the people crying about DKs atm, only thing that needs nerf is Asphyxiate which should be 45 sec cd at least and dispellable. Survivability doesn't need a nerf, you will still die vs top teams.

#150 Tsx

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 12:56 PM

View PostFalla, on 01 April 2013 - 11:44 PM, said:

people realise this is the priest section right
oh right cuz its priest section nobody else should be allowed to talk than priests?makes sense

#151 Falla

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 01:01 PM

View PostYarmyxx, on 02 April 2013 - 12:56 PM, said:

oh right cuz its priest section nobody else should be allowed to talk than priests?makes sense
No but they should make seperate threads for their comments on the other changes, like I think there are now.

#152 Lolflay

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 01:30 PM

Your healers/entire team will have to play better as you won't be able to dispel while trained and you won't be able to save someone who stupidly overextended and allowed a swap/damage train onto himself, that's about it.

You people who started the class in Cata/MoP have no idea how good you have it. ( granted this is a opinion of person who has no WoW experience in past 2 years besides trying out MoP in start, but the little I saw in start of MoP placed spriests pretty high in food chain, right below hunters with stampede 3shotting people and shit ).

Edited by Lolflay, 02 April 2013 - 01:32 PM.

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[13:49:14] Creed: u have 20min to find a healer, going for a jog
[13:49:53] Creed: nothing like running through the bush being chased by wild animals to get a proper workout
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#153 Mirionx

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 01:36 PM

View Postkmaclol, on 02 April 2013 - 07:54 AM, said:

The 'top tier' players responding to this thread and saying spriests will be fine our either idiotic or biased heavily. People like talbadar think its ok because they have almost anyone to select from to play competitive 3's with...Sadly that's not the case for most players, and even then you'd be at a disadvantage.

Let's balance a class based on who people can play with!

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 01:37 PM

Our time is coming....we will return

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#155 Nightmonkey

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 01:54 PM

I see a lot of people complaining about problems that are legitimate problems, but the problems are not really problems with priests.  These two abilities were a serious problem in arena.  Abilities that are a serious problem in arena need to be toned down.  Now that priests are toned down they need to turn their attention to other specs/classes that have serious problem areas.  I really honestly believe that more good changes are coming for other serious problems that negatively impact shadow priests and other classes.

I'm talking of course about rogues, hunters, and mages.

Rogue control and openers are currently way too strong.
Hunter control combined with their damage potential is too strong.
Mages have a perfect storm of burst damage, control, and defensive abilities - though they are still kind of weak against certain physical damage classes.

I really like how Holinka and his team are going about this.  They are really hitting core problems with the right nerfs so far and being pretty conservative with buffs.  Maybe I'll end up eating my words, but I think this looks good so far.

The only classes/specs that I think could really use some straight buffs are Enhancement Shaman and Mistweaver Monks, and it looks like both are getting some attention.

#156 Fearful

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 02:07 PM

View Postkmaclol, on 02 April 2013 - 07:54 AM, said:

Dude, you can't be fucking serious.

@Every shadow priest in the game.

Compare your defensive utility to other casters and then honestly tell me how it's fair.

Mages:
-Casted CC
-CS/Blanket
-Deep on a 30 second CD
-Roots

Warlocks (lol)
-Casted Fear
-Your choice of tier 2 talent
-CS/Stun depending on if you play demo or some other semi-laughable spec
-Demonic gateway

-Elemental Shamans
-Casted off heals that are infinitely inferior to shadow priests
-Hex
-Roots
-Knockback

Balance Druids
-Clone/Roots
-Casted off heals that are infinitely inferior to shadow priests
-Solar Beam
-Whatever broken symbiosis ability they have
-Knockback

Now lets take a look at shadow priests....
-Psychic Horror
-Blanket Silence
-Roots
-Psyfiend that automatically refears you over and over again
-MC
-Personal AOE Fear
-Off Heals stronger than any other healer (instants and casted)
-Way to break your healer out of CD's on an extremely low CD (wtf, no one has anything like MD)
-Life Swap (again wtf is this shit)
-Life Grip (and this)
-and just for shits, lets not forget to mention hymn of hope, as if it actually mattered

The point I'm making is that pretty much every other DPS caster has the ability to give their healer a chance to catch up. Shadow priests are another healer... In addition to having everything that every other DPS caster has.

Does it seriously need spelled out any more for you guys? I'm done.

Edited by Fearful, 02 April 2013 - 04:28 PM.


#157 Dakkrothy

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 02:09 PM

as much as I like these changes for spriests its just gonna make them easier to play... I already thought spriests looks like the most braindead caster to play right now. Now when their most reactive tools  MD and healthswap is gone its really gonna be hard for them to seperate in skill from other spriests





maybe im wrong ;(

#158 Zerych

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 02:09 PM

Well, it was needed, but I have a feeling that it's going to be a bit too much... We will see, Spriest won't be absolutly bad anyway,  it will just lack a bit of interest to play with one maybe.

EDIT: Fearful you are semi-trolling with your list right ? I see your point but ...

Edited by Zerych, 02 April 2013 - 02:14 PM.


#159 Fearful

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 02:22 PM

Semi-trolling, but also 100% serious

I honestly am sort of inciting bull shit from lower level shadow priests because the fact they're acting like they know what they're talking about, when every other top player is telling them they're wrong is inherently annoying. If you're not playing the game at the top level, fine that shit isn't for everyone or maybe you will be eventually but just aren't there yet. But in the mean time, lower level shadow priests, you need to accept the fact that you're playing the game at a slightly/significantly lower level and just can't understand possibly understand what things are like at the very top.

Edited by Fearful, 02 April 2013 - 02:34 PM.


#160 Zerych

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 02:32 PM

Okay that's fine :P.

Anyway now that we are nerfed, can Holinka  and his team take a look at our mana regen. I love to have to cast to get my mana back, but it drive me crazy to get nothing because of absorb. :(




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