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#81 AcerMVP

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 01:49 PM

I think so too, I read 180agil in pvp only. We'll see

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:19 PM

View PostOhhiimMvp, on 08 April 2013 - 01:49 PM, said:

I think so too, I read 180agil in pvp only. We'll see

From 8.8k to 180?

I'm looking hard for a post about this and can't find one.. spent so many freaking hours doing mindless heroics -.-

#83 AcerMVP

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 03:07 PM

http://us.battle.net...us/Jax/advanced

Check the tool-tip out.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 03:10 PM

View PostOhhiimMvp, on 08 April 2013 - 03:07 PM, said:


Armory is bugged. Check some people with the standard pvp proc trinket, it also shows 1xx.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 03:13 PM

View PostOhhiimMvp, on 08 April 2013 - 03:07 PM, said:


Na, all proc values are wrong on the Armory since the begining of MoP (or maybe even before). Look at his mage teammate for example: http://us.battle.net...dycoxx/advanced (Malevolent Gladiator's Badge of Dominance increases spell power by more than 64 I think :duckers: )

#86 Andythewarrior

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 03:39 PM

I have the trinkets on all my characters.  Yea its scummy but they put it in the game so I'm gonna use it.  On my unholy dk with full procs of rune weapon/pvp trink proc/shado pan proc I get around 36k strength (usually I have  14k un-buffed) and i can literally 1 shot anyone (AS UNHOLY) with my gargoyle hitting people for around 80k crits.  You really either pop a major defensive or die.  Sometimes die through the defensive depending on what it is.
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Posted 08 April 2013 - 03:50 PM

pretty sure that's a tooltip bug though, it's like that for a lot of trinkets

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 04:32 PM

So is the consensus that there was no hotfix? Has anyone tested it and not seen any differences today?

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 05:16 PM

View PostAlemecia, on 08 April 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

So is the consensus that there was no hotfix? Has anyone tested it and not seen any differences today?

No hotfix because Holinka thinks they are currently not widely enough used in pvp. Please prove him wrong by tweeting teams/screenshots/whatever at him.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 05:20 PM

I wonder how many people fell for it.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 06:54 PM

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 08:51 PM

I can't speak for rogues/dks in regard to their burst potential but I want to provide some detail to the hunter on-use trinket since there is some mis-information and lack of information out there.

BM hunter burst is currently a problem and removing pve trinkets will not fix the issue.  There are several factors that contribute to hunters crazy burst right now, the pve trinket is just one of them.

1.  Power shot is based off weapon damage (800%) and does not benefit from an agil trinket proc.  I do not have the trinket and I hit 192k, 191k, and 189k (on a glad dk) in consecutive games the other day.  The problem is CDs + power shot, namely rapid fire.

2.  Not sure if many people know this but hunter 2pc provides +3200 pvp power when rapid fire is up.  This leads to insane %pvp power numbers and these huge power shot crits.

rapid fire + 2pc pvp set bonus + power shot = too much

3.  BM hunter has 20 additional max focus via kindred spirits (120 max focus).  Let's look at focus cost for certain abilities.  Power shot = 20 focus and blink strike = zero focus.  That means that after a power shot + blink strike opener a hunter has 100 focus to waste on kill command (40 focus), arcane shot (20 focus), and tranq shot (20 focus).  Not to mention silence shot and kill shot (our execute) require zero focus!  And if the hunter has BW rolling all abilities cost 50% reduced focus!

Comparing the current resource pool for burst to Cata, Cata you basically had an aimed shot + chim shot and you were practically spent on focus, if you started at 100 focus you would have enough for an arcane shot.

4.  Current huge reported crits on blink strike and kill command are definitely a result of artificially high pvp power (via 2pc) and pve trinket.  I've never had a blink strike crit over 90k and I'm seeing posts here around 180k, that's pretty silly.  

Recommended solutions to tone down burst for hunters:

1.  rework hunter 2pc bonus, its too good and creating huge crits at higher gear levels.

2.  tone down power shot by 25-30% and lower CD to 30 sec, it should be better than glaive toss in pve for single target encounters.

3.  5.3 will fix current pve trinket proc issues.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 08:54 PM

View PostHackattack3, on 08 April 2013 - 08:51 PM, said:

I can't speak for rogues/dks in regard to their burst potential but I want to provide some detail to the hunter on-use trinket since there is some mis-information and lack of information out there.

BM hunter burst is currently a problem and removing pve trinkets will not fix the issue.  There are several factors that contribute to hunters crazy burst right now, the pve trinket is just one of them.

1.  Power shot is based off weapon damage (800%) and does not benefit from an agil trinket proc.  I do not have the trinket and I hit 192k, 191k, and 189k (on a glad dk) in consecutive games the other day.  The problem is CDs + power shot, namely rapid fire.

2.  Not sure if many people know this but hunter 2pc provides +3200 pvp power when rapid fire is up.  This leads to insane %pvp power numbers and these huge power shot crits.

rapid fire + 2pc pvp set bonus + power shot = too much

3.  BM hunter has 20 additional max focus via kindred spirits (120 max focus).  Let's look at focus cost for certain abilities.  Power shot = 20 focus and blink strike = zero focus.  That means that after a power shot + blink strike opener a hunter has 100 focus to waste on kill command (40 focus), arcane shot (20 focus), and tranq shot (20 focus).  Not to mention silence shot and kill shot (our execute) require zero focus!  And if the hunter has BW rolling all abilities cost 50% reduced focus!

Comparing the current resource pool for burst to Cata, Cata you basically had an aimed shot + chim shot and you were practically spent on focus, if you started at 100 focus you would have enough for an arcane shot.

4.  Current huge reported crits on blink strike and kill command are definitely a result of artificially high pvp power (via 2pc) and pve trinket.  I've never had a blink strike crit over 90k and I'm seeing posts here around 180k, that's pretty silly.  

Recommended solutions to tone down burst for hunters:

1.  rework hunter 2pc bonus, its too good and creating huge crits at higher gear levels.

2.  tone down power shot by 25-30% and lower CD to 30 sec, it should be better than glaive toss in pve for single target encounters.

3.  5.3 will fix current pve trinket proc issues.

This is a great post that really deserves a thread of its own.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 09:28 PM

The hunter 2-set bonus increases the damage of a properly geared hunter by just 9-10%. You are making it look like it's a huge deal.

View PostHackattack3, on 08 April 2013 - 08:51 PM, said:

3.  5.3 will fix current pve trinket proc issues.
Why is everyone saying that 5.3 will fix the pve trinket issue? It won't. For example this trinket will give a 9k agi proc in 5.3Posted Image

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 09:38 PM

View PostKettu, on 08 April 2013 - 09:28 PM, said:

The hunter 2-set bonus increases the damage of a properly geared hunter by just 9-10%. You are making it look like it's a huge deal.Why is everyone saying that 5.3 will fix the pve trinket issue? It won't. For example this trinket will give a 9k agi proc in 5.3Posted Image

This trinket doesnt compare to the shado-pan one, if you'r lucky u can get this several times in a row or not at all. Either way it's not up with 9k agi for more than 2seconds while the other one lasts for 20seconds (do you understand how long and retarded this is) especially since the one you linked has another procc system while shado-pan one will most likely procc in the start of your fight (where u go ahead and pop ur arsenal of retarded cds like the hunter above you posted). Also powershot is completetly retarded but its overkill if u have this trinket since your pet abilties seem to be enough to kill people.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 09:48 PM

View Postproffset, on 08 April 2013 - 09:38 PM, said:

This trinket doesnt compare to the shado-pan one, if you'r lucky u can get this several times in a row or not at all. Either way it's not up with 9k agi for more than 2seconds while the other one lasts for 20seconds (do you understand how long and retarded this is) especially since the one you linked has another procc system while shado-pan one will most likely procc in the start of your fight (where u go ahead and pop ur arsenal of retarded cds like the hunter above you posted). Also powershot is completetly retarded but its overkill if u have this trinket since your pet abilties seem to be enough to kill people.
So you are saying that Shado Pan trinket > Renataki's Soul Charm for hunters and 5.3 will fix trinket issues. Ty for your opinion.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 09:53 PM

View PostKettu, on 08 April 2013 - 09:48 PM, said:

So you are saying that Shado Pan trinket > Renataki's Soul Charm for hunters and 5.3 will fix trinket issues. Ty for your opinion.
I'm not saying anything about what will happen in 5.3, however im ready to say that if you think that Rentaki's is better than Shado Pan until 5.3, you are ignorant and/or retarded.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 10:43 PM

View Postproffset, on 08 April 2013 - 09:53 PM, said:

you are ignorant and/or retarded.
You seem like a very rude EU mage. How much experience and knowledge do you have of hunter stat weightings? Judging by your posts, none. Rentaki's is by far better than Shado Pan trinket for hunters until - and after - 5.3.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 11:07 PM

Hopefully this will be nerfed tomorrow like they said it would (Tuesday)
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 12:40 AM

View PostTuxer, on 08 April 2013 - 11:07 PM, said:

Hopefully this will be nerfed tomorrow like they said it would (Tuesday)

links to them saying they would nerf 2mro?




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