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#1 varellz

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 05:11 PM

Official Blizzard Quote:

As you’re probably aware we introduced a new system in 5.1 which allowed you to upgrade some gear a few items levels at a time by paying with the PvE (Valor/Justice) and PvP (Conquest/Honor) currencies. In 5.2 the Voidbinders (NPCs who perform item upgrades) took a break to let people focus on just acquiring new items with their points. It also gave us time to evaluate the system, and decide how we want to continue supporting it.

PvE Item Upgrades in 5.3:
Voidbinders will return to their places in capital cities and shrines.
Items upgradable by Valor now require 250 Valor to upgrade per 4 item levels, for a total of 500 Valor for 8 item levels per item.
This is retroactive to all items that use Valor.
5.2 Justice items now require 750 Justice to upgrade per 8 item levels, for a total of 750 Justice for 8 item levels per item.
This is retroactive to all items that use Justice.
This is higher than Valor to account for the increased acquisition rate of Justice since patch 5.2.

We still like the upgrade system for PvE as a way to make steady progression against bosses you can’t quite kill yet. You very predictably earn Valor every day, and use that Valor toward increasing your character’s power and overcoming an obstacle. It’s also good that Valor always has a use; it’s a currency we always want to be valuable regardless of where you are in progression.

The thing we didn’t like about item upgrades previously was that it created these rather brutal decisions where you were essentially betting against yourself, or having to offload large sums of Valor to keep from capping. If you just got a belt, but next week you’re going up against a Heroic boss that drops a best-in-slot belt for you, you might bet that you’ll get that belt and so you’d wait to upgrade it. But that’s complicated by the issue of being Valor capped and needing to spend some. So you dump Valor on upgrading a different slot and just hope you don’t replace that one instead.

In 5.3 the costs are dramatically cut to the point that these decisions are far less brutal, and you can pretty easily upgrade every slot instead of hedging bets against specific slots being replaced or not. In the example above you could go ahead and fully upgrade that new belt for only 500 Valor, as opposed to the 1500 it would have cost you before.

PvP Item Upgrades in 5.3:
Malevolent Gladiator’s Conquest (Season 12) items that have upgrades available are still upgradable at their original costs.
Dreadful Gladiator’s Honor (Season 12) items that have upgrades available are still upgradable at their original costs.
No other PvP items are upgradable, and no new PvP items for the foreseeable future will use the upgrade system.

It shouldn’t be too surprising, given that we’ve already come out and said it some weeks ago, that item upgrades are essentially not coming back for PvP. It’s something a lot of PvPers asked that we remove, it’s something we didn’t feel worked out too well, and so unsurprisingly the result is that it isn’t coming back. We’re still probably going to allow the Season 12 items that had previous upgradability to remain upgradable, as noted in the bullets above, but it’s not something we’re absolutely certain about at this moment. We’ll let you know if that changes.

Because gearing in PvP is based almost entirely on currency purchases, Conquest and Honor already always have a use, and we ask players to amass a lot of them to continue gearing. Honestly it was fairly unanimous that balancing the means of gear acquisition against upgrades just didn’t make good sense, at least with the current systems.


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So PVE items get more important, good job.

Edited by varellol, 22 March 2013 - 05:15 PM.


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Posted 22 March 2013 - 05:14 PM

Ilvl 549 PvE gear vs Ilvl 512 PvP gear, sounds smart? BiS PvP gear from slaying dragons...

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 05:16 PM

So upgraded heroic thunderforged gear will be 549 item lvl compared to 512 for pvp. Purple gear is +30 item levels to pvp, I'm excited to see the legendary in 5.4 that will probably have 80 item levels on the pvp weapon, fingers crossed shadowpriests can use it.

Edited by Radejjj, 22 March 2013 - 05:17 PM.


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Posted 22 March 2013 - 05:17 PM

Don't complain for the sake of complaining, PvE items wont become important.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 05:18 PM

PvP Item Upgrades in 5.3:
Malevolent Gladiator’s Conquest (Season 12) items that have upgrades available are still upgradable at their original costs.
Dreadful Gladiator’s Honor (Season 12) items that have upgrades available are still upgradable at their original costs.
No other PvP items are upgradable, and no new PvP items for the foreseeable future will use the upgrade system.

It shouldn’t be too surprising, given that we’ve already come out and said it some weeks ago, that item upgrades are essentially not coming back for PvP. It’s something a lot of PvPers asked that we remove, it’s something we didn’t feel worked out too well, and so unsurprisingly the result is that it isn’t coming back. We’re still probably going to allow the Season 12 items that had previous upgradability to remain upgradable, as noted in the bullets above, but it’s not something we’re absolutely certain about at this moment. We’ll let you know if that changes.

Because gearing in PvP is based almost entirely on currency purchases, Conquest and Honor already always have a use, and we ask players to amass a lot of them to continue gearing. Honestly it was fairly unanimous that balancing the means of gear acquisition against upgrades just didn’t make good sense, at least with the current systems.


PvP Item Upgrades in 5.3:
Malevolent Gladiator’s Conquest (Season 12) items that have upgrades available are still upgradable at their original costs.
Dreadful Gladiator’s Honor (Season 12) items that have upgrades available are still upgradable at their original costs.
No other PvP items are upgradable, and no new PvP items for the foreseeable future will use the upgrade system.

It shouldn’t be too surprising, given that we’ve already come out and said it some weeks ago, that item upgrades are essentially not coming back for PvP. It’s something a lot of PvPers asked that we remove, it’s something we didn’t feel worked out too well, and so unsurprisingly the result is that it isn’t coming back. We’re still probably going to allow the Season 12 items that had previous upgradability to remain upgradable, as noted in the bullets above, but it’s not something we’re absolutely certain about at this moment. We’ll let you know if that changes.

Because gearing in PvP is based almost entirely on currency purchases, Conquest and Honor already always have a use, and we ask players to amass a lot of them to continue gearing. Honestly it was fairly unanimous that balancing the means of gear acquisition against upgrades just didn’t make good sense, at least with the current systems.


PvP Item Upgrades in 5.3:
Malevolent Gladiator’s Conquest (Season 12) items that have upgrades available are still upgradable at their original costs.
Dreadful Gladiator’s Honor (Season 12) items that have upgrades available are still upgradable at their original costs.
No other PvP items are upgradable, and no new PvP items for the foreseeable future will use the upgrade system.

It shouldn’t be too surprising, given that we’ve already come out and said it some weeks ago, that item upgrades are essentially not coming back for PvP. It’s something a lot of PvPers asked that we remove, it’s something we didn’t feel worked out too well, and so unsurprisingly the result is that it isn’t coming back. We’re still probably going to allow the Season 12 items that had previous upgradability to remain upgradable, as noted in the bullets above, but it’s not something we’re absolutely certain about at this moment. We’ll let you know if that changes.

Because gearing in PvP is based almost entirely on currency purchases, Conquest and Honor already always have a use, and we ask players to amass a lot of them to continue gearing. Honestly it was fairly unanimous that balancing the means of gear acquisition against upgrades just didn’t make good sense, at least with the current systems.


PvP Item Upgrades in 5.3:
Malevolent Gladiator’s Conquest (Season 12) items that have upgrades available are still upgradable at their original costs.
Dreadful Gladiator’s Honor (Season 12) items that have upgrades available are still upgradable at their original costs.
No other PvP items are upgradable, and no new PvP items for the foreseeable future will use the upgrade system.

It shouldn’t be too surprising, given that we’ve already come out and said it some weeks ago, that item upgrades are essentially not coming back for PvP. It’s something a lot of PvPers asked that we remove, it’s something we didn’t feel worked out too well, and so unsurprisingly the result is that it isn’t coming back. We’re still probably going to allow the Season 12 items that had previous upgradability to remain upgradable, as noted in the bullets above, but it’s not something we’re absolutely certain about at this moment. We’ll let you know if that changes.

Because gearing in PvP is based almost entirely on currency purchases, Conquest and Honor already always have a use, and we ask players to amass a lot of them to continue gearing. Honestly it was fairly unanimous that balancing the means of gear acquisition against upgrades just didn’t make good sense, at least with the current systems.


PvP Item Upgrades in 5.3:
Malevolent Gladiator’s Conquest (Season 12) items that have upgrades available are still upgradable at their original costs.
Dreadful Gladiator’s Honor (Season 12) items that have upgrades available are still upgradable at their original costs.
No other PvP items are upgradable, and no new PvP items for the foreseeable future will use the upgrade system.

It shouldn’t be too surprising, given that we’ve already come out and said it some weeks ago, that item upgrades are essentially not coming back for PvP. It’s something a lot of PvPers asked that we remove, it’s something we didn’t feel worked out too well, and so unsurprisingly the result is that it isn’t coming back. We’re still probably going to allow the Season 12 items that had previous upgradability to remain upgradable, as noted in the bullets above, but it’s not something we’re absolutely certain about at this moment. We’ll let you know if that changes.

Because gearing in PvP is based almost entirely on currency purchases, Conquest and Honor already always have a use, and we ask players to amass a lot of them to continue gearing. Honestly it was fairly unanimous that balancing the means of gear acquisition against upgrades just didn’t make good sense, at least with the current systems.



Stop crying faggots

View Postjustchecking, on 10 November 2014 - 11:58 PM, said:

Going to blizzcon looking for a fight is like going to the official wow arena forums for pvp advice :)

View PostRenaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

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bro you got +rep'd by rapture...

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 05:19 PM

there are necks and bracers and shit with 1 or 2 sockets so youll get more fucking resilience on pve items than on the pvp ones this is so stupid.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 05:19 PM

View PostRalffi, on 22 March 2013 - 05:17 PM, said:

Don't complain for the sake of complaining, PvE items wont become important.

Quite a few pieces of the current pve gear are better then pvp gear because of the number of gem slots they have. More resil, pvp power, because of gems, more everything else because of item level.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 05:31 PM

Hurray!

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 06:13 PM

Thank god, if you are worried by this, you are a moron. Getting full gear last season was a nightmare, and if you need pve to help you win this game. You must really care bro.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 07:24 PM

no need for upgrades in pvp, good thing

548 pve items might be a concern for the offset pieces, cause they have some ridiculous amount of sockets(neck 2 sockets, rly?)

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:58 PM

Item upgrades are the single most fucking retarded move ever.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 11:01 PM

View PostYemina, on 22 March 2013 - 05:14 PM, said:

Ilvl 549 PvE gear vs Ilvl 512 PvP gear, sounds smart? BiS PvP gear from slaying dragons...
Working as intended.
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Posted 22 March 2013 - 11:54 PM

View PostThroron, on 22 March 2013 - 07:24 PM, said:

no need for upgrades in pvp, good thing

548 pve items might be a concern for the offset pieces, cause they have some ridiculous amount of sockets(neck 2 sockets, rly?)

i'dont see the difference in upgrading my 483 ilvl to 491 ilvl or if i just buy my 512 ilvl to replace my 493 ilvl

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 12:46 AM

Looks like Im slaying dragons this season

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 12:59 AM

View Postpaiku, on 22 March 2013 - 11:54 PM, said:

i'dont see the difference in upgrading my 483 ilvl to 491 ilvl or if i just buy my 512 ilvl to replace my 493 ilvl

This.  How is having to buy brand new pieces as t2 any different from having to just upgrade gear?  Other than making people re-gem/re-enchant, making it even more annoying?  It's still creating a gear disparity between normal S13 gear and a better set of S13 gear.  It's good that some off pieces won't have t2 though.

Having to buy a better set of gear is practically the same as having to "upgrade" a previous set.

Edit: Nvm, with gear changes it doesn't matter now

Edited by Pitiless, 23 March 2013 - 03:59 AM.


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Posted 23 March 2013 - 01:11 AM

View PostMindsmoothie, on 23 March 2013 - 12:46 AM, said:

Looks like Im slaying dragons this season

nope looks like you're not, I refer you to my newly created topic

http://www.arenajunk...vp-overhaul-53/

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 03:42 AM

View PostJeffisnumberone, on 22 March 2013 - 11:01 PM, said:

Working as intended.

Not anymore. http://www.arenajunk...vp-overhaul-53/
Bye again! This game isn't fun when you don't know anyone else that still plays.




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