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#1 Filthpig

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 12:16 AM

Warrior
  • Feel as if they're in a good place right now. Cooldown stacking is still stupid.
  • I think warriors may become a victim of "balanced class disorder" where they don't seem as good because overpowered classes are just so much better.

Warlock
  • Still no viable spec, aff and destro have a small representation on the ladders but are still completely sub par to mage or spriest.
  • Demo knock off is completely overpowered. Needs at least 5s added to CD.
  • Lock healing cooldowns should be nerfed in exchange for old soul link back.
  • Demonic Gateway should either be removed from arena or invoke a minute or longer cooldown for each player.

Mage
  • Blanket CS should be removed from the game.
  • Mages do way way way too much damage.
  • Deep Freeze cooldown is too short, is CS and damage get tuned should be fine.
  • Pyroblast damage is under the radar right now, it's pretty hilarious.

Rogue
  • Shuriken Toss spam does more damage than a hunter. Derp.
  • Subterfuge is kind of retarded.
  • Paralytic poison puts rogues over the top on CC.
  • Not rogue in particular, but everyone in the game stealths now, I find it absurd for people to be given good openers every game with no effort. Maybe Mass Concealment should go.

Druid
  • Solar Beam is getting a bandaid (yay)
  • Instant starsurges should do less damage than casted ones.
  • Cyclone should DR with polymorph so godcomp isn't so fucking dominant.
  • Symbiosis needs serious tuning, too gamebreaking.
  • Feral does too much damage during cooldowns, can solo any healer easily if left alone for like two seconds.

Priest
  • Insanity hits too hard.
  • Mass Dispel for shadow is game breaking.
  • Lifeswap should be Discipline only or put dispersion on cooldown.
  • Shadow Priests heal for too much.. still....
  • Spirit Shell seems kind of overtuned.
  • Psyfiend still spam fears targets - was supposed to be fixed in patch.
  • Power Word Shield crits, because that's needed.

Shaman
  • Tremor totem cooldown is still shorter than most fear abilities in the game.
  • Resto mastery is funny.
  • Healing stream totem heals for too much.
  • Ele seems to be at least playable now, maybe more buffs.
  • Enh is total garbage, buffs.
  • Giving all totems health was a step in the right direction, but I still feel that spirit link should be killable.

Monk
  • Even though monks are really bad Ring of Peace is completely absurd and should be given a longer cooldown. Can currently use on every DPS CD (dark soul, dance, Bestial Wrath, etc.)
  • Spear Hand Strike shouldn't silence if you miss the cast. Sorry - it's ridiculous.

Death Knight
  • Double Grip, if you fail to icy touch the grounding down that's tough shit. Double gripping into fears will get dumb again too.
  • Asphyxiate should have a longer cooldown, as if death knights needed another way to interrupt casters/healers.
  • Desecrated Ground - area of zero CC, what game is this?
  • Frost does retarded damage, spamming out 100k obliterates and frost strikes is kinda stupid for instant abilities.

Paladin
  • Sac for ret shouldn't dispel shit, I'm sorry, if dispel is going to have a cooldown then there should be no defensive dispels on non healers.
  • Holy seems to be alright now that they can't CC chain you as easily.

Hunter
  • Powershot hit's way too hard.
  • Hunter damage in general is too high and derpy and too cooldown based.
  • 8 sec nondispellable root is pretty ridiculous if I do say so myself.



Lemme know if I missed anything. Yes, nerf everything.

Edited by Filthpig, 27 March 2013 - 02:00 AM.


#2 ApplejackxD

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 12:20 AM

It seems to me like nearly everyone wants to destroy shadow priest, if all your changes went through + the MD change then nobody would want to play with an SP anymore, not even you.
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Posted 22 March 2013 - 12:25 AM

Too many fears in the game now. It almost makes tremor a requirement. Psyfiend, lowered warrior cd, warlock different fear DRs, zzzzzz

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 12:29 AM

"Cyclone needs to DR with Sheep."

dafuq? 5sec cc will share with a 7sec, logic


#5 Filthpig

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 12:30 AM

View PostZerlog, on 22 March 2013 - 12:29 AM, said:

"Cyclone needs to DR with Sheep."

dafuq? 5sec cc will share with a 7sec, logic


SHEEP SHEEP SHEEP CLONE CLONE CLONE FEAR SHEEP SHEEP SHEEP CLONE CLONE CLONE SILENCE.............

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 12:52 AM

itt: im a hunter plz nerf shadow

#7 Filthpig

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 01:00 AM

View Postinkorperated, on 22 March 2013 - 12:52 AM, said:

itt: im a hunter plz nerf shadow

I also play warlock.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 01:00 AM

all of those abilities combined is more bearable than your arena junkies presence.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 01:03 AM

View PostFilthpig, on 22 March 2013 - 12:16 AM, said:

Mass Dispel is stupid for shadow.
Lifeswap should be a disc only thing.
Solar Beam OR Vortex should have a 1.6s cast time.
Spriest healing is still too strong.
Powershot hits too hard.
Hunter damage in general is a little too high.
Warlocks still suck.
Asphyxiate's cooldown is way too short.
Tremor cooldown is too short.
Cyclone needs to DR with Sheep.
Mages do way way way way too much damage.
Blanket counterspell should be removed from the game.
Everyone has stealth. Problem.
Symbiosis is too game breaking.
Demonic Gateway is completely absurd.
Ring of Peace is completely retarded even though monks are terrible.


Lemme know if I missed anything.

*The shaman mastery is still ridiculous in pvp. Watching cdews stream he just throws out 200-300k+ heals like nothing.
*Rogues shouldn't be able to chain 3 stuns, 3 silences, and paralyitc. Paralytic should be removed and cheap/garrote should have 10 second cooldowns.
*Mind Numbing
*Necrotic Strike aborbs are getting really really high, being able to throw up a 300k absorb in a few seconds is stupid.
*Every team has atleast one, usually, two, if not three offensive dispels, really hurting any class that relies on buffs.
*Shurikan toss
Cooldown stacking is still out of control, for anyone who can do it. Boomkin, rets, warriors, exc exc.
*Hunters have too much cc, all instant, all on different dr's.
*Nethertempest, regardless of how strong it is, is such a stupid and mindless playstyle that needs to be removed.
*Fire mages are the most op shit in the game, I have no clue why more mage don't play it.
*That channeled monk stun thing
*cloak and dagger

Just a few you missed....

Edited by Radejjj, 22 March 2013 - 01:12 AM.


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Posted 22 March 2013 - 01:16 AM

View PostDjandawg, on 22 March 2013 - 01:00 AM, said:

all of those abilities combined is more bearable than your arena junkies presence.

Truth hurts, don't shoot the messenger. Check spriest representation.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 02:49 AM

View PostFilthpig, on 22 March 2013 - 01:16 AM, said:

Truth hurts, don't shoot the messenger. Check spriest representation.
i ate a 170k powershot today, as a mage with 68% reduction from resilience, 16% from molten armor, and flameglow on top of that. the powershot was followed by a 69k kill shot. when i see hunters agreeing that powershot is currently more retarded then pre nerf frost bomb, ill be sympathetic about your shadow priest concerns. until then, gtfo

Edited by Dizzeeyo, 22 March 2013 - 02:51 AM.

View PostPouncedd, on 12 June 2014 - 01:51 AM, said:

Feel free to call me an idiot because I'm a hunter or some stupid ass remark but I've actually written all this down on paper and have looked at the numbers comparatively for almost every class

View PostJontex, on 23 June 2014 - 04:48 PM, said:

I actually made an appearance at DH2014 and I met up with people from twitch who were involved with the dota 2 / cs tournies that where there, I talked about the game from my perspective as a professional player and we actually shared a lot of opinions. All I'm saying is a lot of people will be VERY surprised about the future of this game in the esport world :)

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 02:49 AM

View PostRadejjj, on 22 March 2013 - 01:03 AM, said:

*Nethertempest, regardless of how strong it is, is such a stupid and mindless playstyle that needs to be removed.
*Fire mages are the most op shit in the game, I have no clue why more mage don't play it.
and then frost mages would be completely useless vs teams that trained them. completely agree with the fire mage point tho, pyro needs a 20% damage nerf vs players

Edited by Dizzeeyo, 22 March 2013 - 02:51 AM.

View PostPouncedd, on 12 June 2014 - 01:51 AM, said:

Feel free to call me an idiot because I'm a hunter or some stupid ass remark but I've actually written all this down on paper and have looked at the numbers comparatively for almost every class

View PostJontex, on 23 June 2014 - 04:48 PM, said:

I actually made an appearance at DH2014 and I met up with people from twitch who were involved with the dota 2 / cs tournies that where there, I talked about the game from my perspective as a professional player and we actually shared a lot of opinions. All I'm saying is a lot of people will be VERY surprised about the future of this game in the esport world :)

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 03:21 AM

View PostDizzeeyo, on 22 March 2013 - 02:49 AM, said:

i ate a 170k powershot today, as a mage with 68% reduction from resilience, 16% from molten armor, and flameglow on top of that. the powershot was followed by a 69k kill shot. when i see hunters agreeing that powershot is currently more retarded then pre nerf frost bomb, ill be sympathetic about your shadow priest concerns. until then, gtfo

Powershot is retarded I think every hunter agrees (or should agree) that no ability should crit for 170k+ in this iteration of the game. Maybe when health pools are 1m+. Right now, NO ability should do 40%+ of someone's health in 1 hit.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 03:23 AM

View PostFilthpig, on 22 March 2013 - 12:30 AM, said:

SHEEP SHEEP SHEEP CLONE CLONE CLONE FEAR SHEEP SHEEP SHEEP CLONE CLONE CLONE SILENCE.............
Welcome to MLD...jk throw some fears in there somewhere...Also thugcleaves Damage/CC is fucking stupid.

Edited by Icekingx, 22 March 2013 - 03:26 AM.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 04:33 AM

View PostDizzeeyo, on 22 March 2013 - 02:49 AM, said:

i ate a 170k powershot today, as a mage with 68% reduction from resilience, 16% from molten armor, and flameglow on top of that. the powershot was followed by a 69k kill shot. when i see hunters agreeing that powershot is currently more retarded then pre nerf frost bomb, ill be sympathetic about your shadow priest concerns. until then, gtfo

Read the first post. I said powershot is stupid....

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 04:43 AM

Who gives a fuck, Blizzard doesn't apparently. So just do one thing and stop bitching and learn to play. I dealt with being the shittiest class last season and still played for fun.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 06:01 AM

Yesterday i was messing around in 2s on my mage, met hunter/disc. Opened with sheep on priest meanwhile hunter popped all his cd's and hit me for 80% of my hp in his first global of the game, cool shit

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:09 AM

Pretty solid lists actually.  I quit playing Holy pretty much because of the things on that list.  It's way too obnoxious to try and heal through the most common teams as a Paladin.  I'm finding my Resto Shaman alt much more enjoyable.

If Wizard damage/CC and hunter instant CC got a nice solid nerf I might go back to playing Holy, but Disc and RSham are much better suited to healing through the things that are currently happening in arena.  I think the ladders show that pretty well right now.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:13 AM

the problem that blizzard  has is adding things to counteract other things casters were crazy so they started handing out interrupts like candy interrupts got to a certain point of what the hell and everyone got instant casts its like a never ending vicious cycle.
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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:54 AM

Some things off the top of my head to add to the list:

- Hunter's undispellable 8 second root
- DK's desecrated ground immunity/cd
- Paralyctic Poison
- Deadly Throw interrupt
- DK double grip
- Power Word: Shield crits
- Granted it's stoppable but Mind Flay Insanity is pretty retarded




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