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#1 ImSoAesthetic

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 06:40 PM

Comparing with 3 popular EU BGs.

Burning Crusade

Blackout : 70~ glad slots
Cyclone : 60~ glad slots
Cataclysm :43~ glad slots

WoTLK

Blackout : 40~ glad slots
Cyclone : 55~ glad slots
Cataclysm : 39~ glad slots

Cataclysm :

Blackout : 30~ glad slots
Cyclone : 40~ glad slots
Cataclysm : 30~ glad slots

MoP :

Blackout : 12 glad slots
Cyclone : 20 glad slots
Cataclysm : 12 glad slots

What happened between Cataclysm and MoP ? Do you think arenas are getting old now and players are tired of them ?

Edited by changee, 18 March 2013 - 06:41 PM.


#2 dionim

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 06:43 PM

the 1500 bracket are having longer queues.

pretty much people that played arena under the rival cut got tired/ddint like losing that fast and stopped playing wow or changed to rbgs

#3 Dreamwalkerx

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 06:44 PM

season 12 happened.
5.0 Warriors happened.

and yes, i get the irony

#4 Crawthz

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 06:46 PM

Altgearing was close to impossible and PvE players having fucktons of dailies/scenarios/petbattles and whatnot to spend their time on. Also it's prolly the most horrifying experience to "try out" 3s and get smashed by t2 2/2 KFC at 1500.
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#5 Salutations

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 06:47 PM

shit game mechanics (instant spell, full of cc, oneshot macro ... ) + gear disparity

Edited by Salutations, 18 March 2013 - 06:47 PM.


#6 Breez

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 06:47 PM

One of the reasons for last season was the upgrade system, players couldn't catch up with the gear and making alts was really difficult what made the ladder less active.

#7 Mirionx

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 07:17 PM

Impossible to play alts

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 07:27 PM

I tried to mess around on my alt enh shammy last season. Every game I queued into was fully geared hunter/warrior at 1500 mmr which ended in under 5 seconds. I then saw why everyone was quitting Arena.

I don't understand why Blizzard doesn't try something like Wildstar is planning, where you are matched into brackets based on gear and a personal mmr.

#9 Flittig

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 07:34 PM

View PostRegent, on 18 March 2013 - 07:27 PM, said:

I don't understand why Blizzard doesn't try something like Wildstar is planning, where you are matched into brackets based on gear and a personal mmr.

Cuz then ppl wouldnt need to gear

#10 Regent

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 08:24 PM

View PostFlittig, on 18 March 2013 - 07:34 PM, said:

Cuz then ppl wouldnt need to gear

Exactly.

#11 Djandawg

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 08:44 PM

What happened?My point of view:

-Everyone got extra stun, extra interrupt, extra cc, dps cooldowns became undispellable.
-Dispel 8 sec cd destroyed the game
-Late fix on hunter, warrior, mage. 2 healers viable, rest being borderline unplayable for months made people I know quit.

#12 Baksteen

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 09:00 PM

RBG giving a much better cap then arena is what happend.

all the people that do pve had to do arena before cataclysm now they do RBG's since it's easier for them and gives a better cap aswell.

So all the pve people having low arena teams before Cataclysm is what basically reduced the amount of glad spots.

#13 acushi

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 09:56 PM

People finally get the message that to get gear you dont have to do arena unlike in TBC, and to a lesser extent WOTLK.

#14 Bidj

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 11:16 PM

View PostBaksteen, on 18 March 2013 - 09:00 PM, said:

RBG giving a much better cap then arena is what happend.

all the people that do pve had to do arena before cataclysm now they do RBG's since it's easier for them and gives a better cap aswell.

So all the pve people having low arena teams before Cataclysm is what basically reduced the amount of glad spots.

Lol at people speaking about instant CCs, warriors, alts or whatever.

The only reason arena participation is decreasing is Blizzard putting far more emphasize on RBGs than on Arena (and their reason is that it's easier for them to [not] balance them) ; players new to pvp are now directed to RBGs (via artificial means like more points/week and because of the huge skill gap to overcome in 2s. You can face full T2 players @1600, in part because there is no reward in this bracket anymore, bracket which was once upon a time the place where you learned what were arenas)

#15 Hyrmine

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 11:32 PM

people who blame this on warriors are pretty much brain damaged. in s5 damage was so much more out of hand and arena was a lot more active.

the game simply got old, get over it.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 11:35 PM

There def wasn't that many glad slots in  BC, not in 3s at least... Maybe in 2s

and yes decrease in glad slots/arena activity is not because of loss of players or because of any balance issues, no matter how dogshit unbalanced pvp is people will still do it, it's never been balanced...

only difference now is casuals and pve'rs dont even touch arena when there is rbg as much as people (AJ especialy) don't like RBG's it has been the demise of arenas

Make RBGs equal to arena cap wise

Make 2s give titles again

Bring back skirmishes

These would all greatly increase arena activity, 2s will never happen though.

Edited by CreepStatus, 18 March 2013 - 11:42 PM.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 11:48 PM

RBG's giving a higher cap coupled with 1st season of an expansion with annoying leveling and obnoxious upgrade system making alts/offspec nearly impossible unless you went crazy in the 1st few weeks.

Add in the RBG's bugs and all the normal 1500-2k people suddenly found they could get t2 and massive points by queueing into wintraders/wintrading trade pugs etc.

In short there was little incentive to do arena apart from trying to get certain titles which really isn't enough to keep the ladders active. Most of the spots will always be taken by people with much more experience and a ton more coordination than new teams starting out, and it doesn't take many sessions of new players getting pretty much destroyed before they decide they cba anymore and go for the easier option.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:20 AM

RBGs and 2s are the main reasons arena participation is down, imo

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:22 AM

View PostHyrmine, on 18 March 2013 - 11:32 PM, said:

people who blame this on warriors are pretty much brain damaged. in s5 damage was so much more out of hand and arena was a lot more active.

the game simply got old, get over it.

I stopped because of warriors. It isn't terribly fun to go Warbringer -> Shockwave and being unable to peel a gigantic raging beast that can jump on you for 100k damage.

Edit: There are other reasons too, of course, but warriors were a huge factor for me.

Edited by Conradical, 19 March 2013 - 01:23 AM.


#20 Djandawg

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:56 AM

View PostConradical, on 19 March 2013 - 01:22 AM, said:

I stopped because of warriors. It isn't terribly fun to go Warbringer -> Shockwave and being unable to peel a gigantic raging beast that can jump on you for 100k damage.

Edit: There are other reasons too, of course, but warriors were a huge factor for me.
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