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#1 Reirei

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 05:11 PM

I actually liked old version of ST more, it applied non-lethal poison and didn't have auto-attack portion which is quite annoying as it breaks blinds, sheeps etc.

As for QQ going on on forums about the spell atm, i think if Blizz were ever to nerf ST they would have to buff rogue moblity, as while sitting in novas/being snared we can do nothing outside of popping long CDs vs short/no CD  snares/roots.

Personally i think they should revert ST change and buff our moblity as for example let us use shs/c&d while rooted again (yes, we were able to do it with shs in the past).

Deadly throw didn't actually change all that much since old day  (yes, we didn't have spammable ST but we had HAT that worked in stealth and from hemo bleeds) however since they shifted our dmg to finishers (which also profit from mastery) i think maybe DT should have it's dmg reduced?

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 10:51 PM

Dying to bad undergeared rogues cause I can't heal through ST/DT since 2013

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 09:58 AM

View PostSpammer, on 19 March 2013 - 10:51 PM, said:

Dying to bad undergeared rogues cause I can't heal through ST/DT since 2013
I'm sorry, but that's a l2p problem... If you can't outheal 7-12k hits and 14-24k crits you should probably not play a healer.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 03:59 PM

View PostHyuru, on 20 March 2013 - 09:58 AM, said:

I'm sorry, but that's a l2p problem... If you can't outheal 7-12k hits and 14-24k crits you should probably not play a healer.

to be fair though, paired with bleeds, find weakness and prey on weak ST hits for 50k sometimes...>_>
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Posted 20 March 2013 - 06:21 PM

View PostReirei, on 20 March 2013 - 03:59 PM, said:

to be fair though, paired with bleeds, find weakness and prey on weak ST hits for 50k sometimes...>_>
I'm full pvp power gemmed, my target doesnt have a single resilience gem.

This dmg is with on use trinket and bleeds on target:

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You Shuriken Toss hit Jacquelolx 30175 Physical. (Critical)
You Shuriken Toss Off-hand hit Jacquelolx 4031 Physical. (Critical)
You Shuriken Toss hit Jacquelolx 34152 Physical.
You Shuriken Toss hit Jacquelolx 30175 Physical. (Critical)


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 06:59 PM

omg why did you violate poor Jaqcuel like that?!?!

YOU MONSTER
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Posted 20 March 2013 - 09:15 PM

View PostHyuru, on 20 March 2013 - 09:58 AM, said:

I'm sorry, but that's a l2p problem... If you can't outheal 7-12k hits and 14-24k crits you should probably not play a healer.

I play a boomkin. Thanks for making yourself look dumb on the waiting room forum though.

All I've got while kiting a rogue is rejuv and NS/HT. Try to hardcast? Nah DT. Stop blindly defending your class and man up.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 02:54 AM

View PostForumz, on 20 March 2013 - 06:59 PM, said:

omg why did you violate poor Jaqcuel like that?!?!

YOU MONSTER

He gave me 10000g its fine

View PostSpammer, on 20 March 2013 - 09:15 PM, said:

I play a boomkin. Thanks for making yourself look dumb on the waiting room forum though.

All I've got while kiting a rogue is rejuv and NS/HT. Try to hardcast? Nah DT. Stop blindly defending your class and man up.

Lets not go there =), ooh and btw based on your first response did seem like you was a healer. a dps should never e capable of outhealing a rogue.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 12:33 PM

View PostSpammer, on 20 March 2013 - 09:15 PM, said:

I play a boomkin. Thanks for making yourself look dumb on the waiting room forum though.

All I've got while kiting a rogue is rejuv and NS/HT. Try to hardcast? Nah DT. Stop blindly defending your class and man up.
You didnt hint at all that you were playing boomkin?

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 12:43 PM

why should a dps be able to outheal another dps
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 02:36 PM

my green geared rogue (with green weapons) ST does more damage then hemo.

Enough said right???

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 04:38 PM

View Postwatchmepwn, on 21 March 2013 - 02:36 PM, said:

my green geared rogue (with green weapons) ST does more damage then hemo.

Enough said right???

well hemo is CP builder according to blizz, it is not suppose to do dmg really.... don't look at me, blame GC
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 09:36 PM

I should be able to outheal shruiken toss, a ranged ability from a class that's been melee for the last 9 years. Just saying.
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 10:08 PM

i don't like being able to dps in range the same way i don't like recuperate... but those two were needed :(

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 02:16 AM

Well maybe they'll let hunters run up to you, swap to a 2her and 1 shot people. To the hunter forums!

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 01:25 PM

God you're ignorant.
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Posted 22 March 2013 - 01:51 PM

View Postwatchmepwn, on 21 March 2013 - 02:36 PM, said:

my green geared rogue (with green weapons) ST does more damage then hemo.

Enough said right???

hemo is a % weapon dmg modifier while ST is just damage so green weapons dont change anything at all
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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:52 PM

View PostForumz, on 22 March 2013 - 01:25 PM, said:

God you're ignorant.
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Posted 23 March 2013 - 10:17 AM

Yes, because I'm obviously trying to defend my class.

(jk. I don't even play as, nor with, a Rogue)

If you honestly believe -you- should be able to outheal ANY dps AT ALL, you are the biased one here. No dps class or hybrid dps should be able to outheal another dps or even hybrid dps. Offhealing is too high in general still. Why do you think SP rocks the brackets? It's not because of the damage, even though that's good as well. It's their ability to keep a teammate up almost indefinately while their healer is being CC'd. And not just SP. Moonkins do stupid amounts of healing as well. Ret paladin offheals are really strong once again, WW Monk offheals are fcking stupid.

The only specs that should be able to keep another DPS up for extended periods of time should be the healing specs. End of. And don't you even dare give me your ''but then you need to buff damage and survival''. Learn to play. Or, better yet, learn to vortex>beam a healer and kill him before he can press 'leave arena'.



inb4 'Moonkin sucks in arena'

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 09:00 PM

View PostForumz, on 23 March 2013 - 10:17 AM, said:

Yes, because I'm obviously trying to defend my class.

(jk. I don't even play as, nor with, a Rogue)

If you honestly believe -you- should be able to outheal ANY dps AT ALL, you are the biased one here. No dps class or hybrid dps should be able to outheal another dps or even hybrid dps. Offhealing is too high in general still. Why do you think SP rocks the brackets? It's not because of the damage, even though that's good as well. It's their ability to keep a teammate up almost indefinately while their healer is being CC'd. And not just SP. Moonkins do stupid amounts of healing as well. Ret paladin offheals are really strong once again, WW Monk offheals are fcking stupid.

The only specs that should be able to keep another DPS up for extended periods of time should be the healing specs. End of. And don't you even dare give me your ''but then you need to buff damage and survival''. Learn to play. Or, better yet, learn to vortex>beam a healer and kill him before he can press 'leave arena'.



inb4 'Moonkin sucks in arena'
You need to take a deep breath and relax, friend. I never said I should be able to heal through any class's damage technically. Are you implying that rogues ought to remove all their abilities from their bars except shruiken toss and deadly throw?

Through moonkin's "stupid amounts of healing" I shouldn't get killed by a rogue at 30 yards. If I'm at 40% hp and a rogue can just stand next to a pillar throwing shit at me, and I can't heal through it (or hardcast cause DT), that's not a l2p issue, that's poor game design.

I'd like to apologize to Hyuru for snapping a little, even though he did come off with the typical elitist AJ attitude. Throwing it back doesn't help anyone.

Also, moonkin sucks at arena.




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