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#1 Celaurthor

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 05:01 PM

I was thinking that instead of blizzard making all totems not usable while silenced. They instead make totems that are a minute or less usable while silenced. GC even says their whole goal was to make it so you couldn't heal while silenced but making it so you can drop grounding/tremor would greatly improved the QoL for shamans that get trained. Yes I know healing stream would fall under that category but its not much more than a support heal that gets 1 shot anyways. Just seemed like it would help shamans out a bit especially with rogues about to enter the state they are coming in as.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 05:02 PM

Make it to where if youre blanketed you CAN drop them.

If you get LOCKED OUT while HEALING then you cannot drop them.

Hate sitting imp cs's and priest silences and not being able to do anything. Especially with the amount of teams that just tunnel shamans.

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#3 Celaurthor

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 05:10 PM

Well they would prolly have to take the short cd totems completely off spell class to do this. But I don't think its too much to ask to be able to tremor your partners while you are locked even.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 05:13 PM

why should shamans be allowed to do something when blanketed whereas any other healer can't do shit too (except the shapeshifting-thingy as druid)?

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#5 Celaurthor

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 05:17 PM

View PostDraakex, on 12 March 2013 - 05:13 PM, said:

why should shamans be allowed to do something when blanketed whereas any other healer can't do shit too (except the shapeshifting-thingy as druid)?
Because half of the shamans major cooldowns to live can be stomped in seconds before they even get the full effect of them.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 05:27 PM

I don't think it's that bad. HST is so strong atm if you put it down before silence you barely have to use CDs. But yeah I'd love to see that suggestion with lockout and blanket silences.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 05:35 PM

View PostDraakex, on 12 March 2013 - 05:13 PM, said:

why should shamans be allowed to do something when blanketed whereas any other healer can't do shit too (except the shapeshifting-thingy as druid)?


#8 dionim

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 05:37 PM

View PostCelaurthor, on 12 March 2013 - 05:17 PM, said:

Because half of the shamans major cooldowns to live can be stomped in seconds before they even get the full effect of them.

they're strong because of it, if healing tide was not a totem, it would be the best healing cd, same for spirit link.

the only major cd that is huge countered by swaping to it is healing tide, link after it split hp is really uselles and dumb if it keep split till 6 seconds or so

healing stream heals for alot (i think its better than druid rejuv right?) and AoE

shaman is a really good healer, that is easier than other healers (except priest) to be trained, but still has tools to work with that, ghost wolf, freedom, capacitor, roots, alot of instants, auramastery, casting while running, ascendance, link, NS, NG and etc.

I can say w/o being biased that resto shaman have the best cds to work with, of course has it weakness but overall are the best cds of all healers.

Edited by dionim, 12 March 2013 - 05:37 PM.


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Posted 12 March 2013 - 05:43 PM

"And bacause resto is so good ele/enhance deserves to get shit on" - Everyone in this thread.

Edited by Blackonblack, 12 March 2013 - 05:43 PM.


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Posted 12 March 2013 - 05:43 PM

healing stream is very easily killed by any healer with 5 hp. I'm not saying healing tide/link should be usable but shamans having the best cds to work with mean precisely dick when every rogue team will just be playing ride the shaman. The only time I think priests handle being trained worse than a shaman is when there is a dk on the other team and even then dks rape shamans just as hard.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 05:46 PM

View PostBlackonblack, on 12 March 2013 - 05:43 PM, said:

"And bacause resto is so good ele/enhance deserves to get shit on" - Everyone in this thread.
noone has said that yet but yes that is the other element. The dps specs of shamans def need this type of treatment if not resto. But then it becomes is it fair for a ele shaman to be able to tremor his healer while he is silenced. Something along these lines needs to happen but maybe not in the exact way I stated.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 05:50 PM

people only train someone because they are not able to run away, i dont think shaman are worse than priest at being trained, since they can run away and have tools for it.

I see what you are trying to say (at least i think), like priest can PS when stunned, druid can skin, pallys can bubble/bop, monks cant be stunned at all, and i agree shaman needs something (NG is pretty good for doing that specially now, idk if its enough we will see) but if they do what you said, they will become even better at healing their partners, and for sure shamans dont need that.


edit. about tremor when silenced, no and no, being able to "dispel" something when silenced just makes this game more dumb, maybe nerf the cc, but alowing people to dispel stuff when cc'ed (or silenced) makes the game easier.

edit2. every healer as it weakness, i dont think blizzard need to fix all of then, same way shamans are weak against rogues, pallys are weak against casters and etc.

i miss times when healers are all diferent (before the new dispel) and you had to adpat or get a partner that could help you, the game was so much better...

Edited by dionim, 12 March 2013 - 05:55 PM.


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Posted 12 March 2013 - 05:52 PM

View PostDraakex, on 12 March 2013 - 05:13 PM, said:

why should shamans be allowed to do something when blanketed whereas any other healer can't do shit too (except the shapeshifting-thingy as druid)?


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Posted 12 March 2013 - 05:52 PM

View PostImprove, on 12 March 2013 - 05:02 PM, said:

Hate sitting imp cs's and priest silences and not being able to do anything. Especially with the amount of teams that just tunnel shamans.


lol... yeah dont we all


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Edited by Acebloke, 12 March 2013 - 06:12 PM.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 06:25 PM

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why should shamans be allowed to do something when blanketed whereas any other healer can't do shit too (except the shapeshifting-thingy as druid)?

Why can priests pain sup whilst stunned and divine star whilst locked?
Why can druids shift/displacer/bash etc when silenced and skin when stunned?

Everyone has their defenses, it'd just be nice to not be 100% reliant on a shadow priest for every single viable resto shaman comp.

Having said that, right now in 5.2 the only healer that can reasonably cope alone without a certain amount of support is a disc priest.
Pallies and shamans are complete shit without a shadow and incredibly good with one.
Druids are the same but have the luxury of cyclone giving possible massive cc comps such as MLD (which is still going to get stomped by any hunter team) so in reality, they need a shadow.

Disc is in a great spot yet can't be supported properly by a shadow (otherwise everyone would be fucked) so they get to heal the thug cleaves/rmp etc enjoy some ret support in certain comps and will be the healer of choice if any of the shaman dps specs have viable comps. Just a shame dk's counter them so stupidly hard.


I'd much prefer totems whilst silenced at the expense of something else but every reasonable argument for the subject got ignored months ago by GC.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 06:36 PM

i agree with shamans dropping totems when locked out, not when silence'd.

Edited by dionim, 12 March 2013 - 06:37 PM.


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Posted 12 March 2013 - 07:32 PM

Here is the dumb part about many of your guys comments relating to the silence/totem mechanic.  

Your basically saying shamans shouldnt be able to use any of their survival or utility when silenced because we are balanced around totems, but on the same token its ok for mages and locks to 100 % guarantee landing poly, deep, ring, fear, chaos bolt etc.  The same thing can be stated about rogues which is even worse for any spec shaman.


I agree that if shamans get locked on nature, totems should suffer the lockout period.  I agree further that during silence whether locked out or not, healing totems and SLT should be unavailable.  However i feel the biggest problem is getting blanketed and be unable to tremor or ground.


Its just too mindless for locks, mages, monks, rogues to completely shut down our utility with blanket silences

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 03:16 AM

i want to death when silenced, and sac!

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 03:18 AM

naaaah fuck shamans

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 04:22 AM

View Postdionim, on 12 March 2013 - 05:37 PM, said:


healing stream heals for alot (i think its better than druid rejuv right?) and AoE


Either ignorant or getting confused with Healing Tide.

Based on other posts im guessing the first...




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