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#21 Pawzz

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 09:15 PM

View PostCocoapuffs, on 20 March 2013 - 09:04 PM, said:

I keep trying MM because I keep hoping that with the buffs it actually is better than BM and the damage is definitely there for sure, I would go and say its actually really high. But just the utility you get from BM with Intimidation (and shale spider web stun if you choose to get it) along with Bestial Wrath with it  all being reset by Readiness makes it still better than MM.

Ye the BW dilemma. The higher the ilvl, the better MM tends to be. With elite gear, MM could really be good.
The problem is, BM has everything MM has and more, and I dont think Blizzard will make BW baseline.

#22 GrieverZ

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 09:33 AM

Playing Marks around 2k/2k2 MMR atm, nothing stellar but just having fun with friends that never really got glad either  so there's a lot of things we need to work on, and being stuck with T1 weapon still don't help. Works great in my opinion, at least as Thugcleave i feel i'm doing much better as MM than BM for some reason, damage is definitively better imo

View PostCocoapuffs, on 20 March 2013 - 09:04 PM, said:

I keep trying MM because I keep hoping that with the buffs it actually is better than BM and the damage is definitely there for sure, I would go and say its actually really high. But just the utility you get from BM with Intimidation (and shale spider web stun if you choose to get it) along with Bestial Wrath with it  all being reset by Readiness makes it still better than MM.

Depends on comps, for thug i don't want to DR stuns on our kill targets, also the only real loss imo is Intimidation and BW since i feel the Crane's sleep or the Monkey are better than the Shale Spider's stun (imo) if only because of the DR they're on. BW is def a big loss but at the same time a lot of teams will just wait until you blow it to CC you and if you hold on it too much you're doing jack shit for damage so they have little reason to peel you in the first place. Also it puts WoTF on CD -.-.

Not saying its bad but i don't feel its as big of a loss as people make it to be.

And getting kills on double Chimera crits just feels so good :) .

Edited by GrieverZ, 21 March 2013 - 09:34 AM.


#23 Jokerplex

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 09:40 AM

I like MM.


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Posted 22 March 2013 - 06:07 AM

Just a quick query to the friendly hunters out there.

Why do i never run into people running wyvern sting? The lengths people seem to go to to cover traps when there's a shadow priest present or feel they need to dump every cooldown into them when there's a much squishier 3rd they could destroy somewhat baffles me. I get that silencing shot is a great talent but vs a few comps then surely a scatter healer/wyvern shadow/trap healer/nuke (dance) 3rd would be far less likely to be screwed up, need less setup for the cross cc whilst completely freeing up your healer to follow up cc.
Am i missing something fundamental here?

#25 GrieverZ

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 06:30 AM

View PostKorzul, on 22 March 2013 - 06:07 AM, said:

Just a quick query to the friendly hunters out there.

Why do i never run into people running wyvern sting? The lengths people seem to go to to cover traps when there's a shadow priest present or feel they need to dump every cooldown into them when there's a much squishier 3rd they could destroy somewhat baffles me. I get that silencing shot is a great talent but vs a few comps then surely a scatter healer/wyvern shadow/trap healer/nuke (dance) 3rd would be far less likely to be screwed up, need less setup for the cross cc whilst completely freeing up your healer to follow up cc.
Am i missing something fundamental here?

Idk, the cd is fairly long and Silencing Shot is just more versatile imo, its a better peeling tool again'st casters. Could be worth taking it agains't melee cleaves.

A lot of us have been playing with Silencing shot for years too, kinda hard to give it up >.<.

Edited by GrieverZ, 22 March 2013 - 06:32 AM.


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Posted 23 March 2013 - 03:27 AM

View PostGrieverZ, on 22 March 2013 - 06:30 AM, said:

A lot of us have been playing with Silencing shot for years too, kinda hard to give it up >.<.

This right here. Wyvern Sting just reminds me of S5. :P

Korzul you have a point against SPriests though. Could be useful. I wouldn't use it on the spriest though, I would use it on the healer, since priest can't dispel it.

Edited by fant0m8, 23 March 2013 - 03:28 AM.

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 08:00 PM

The dot component on wyveryn sting could be scrapped now.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 07:51 PM

MM Is super fun and i really really like it.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 08:06 PM

How do you guys feel about the survivability of MM vs BM?  Obviously BM helps out a lot w/ BW getting you out of stuns, but I feel like there is some self healing potential with MM that might be better suited vs non-stun comps.

Chim glyph + animal bond + disengage glyph can lead to some pretty solid off healing if your healer is in a long cc chain or to help out with dot pressure.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 04:21 AM

^I would think being able to break out of stuns extra often with Bm is better sadly... Marks honestly has nothing on BM other than the fact it is actually fun.. I would rather quit the game than play BM. Fortunately MM is viable at least

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 04:46 AM

Has anyone tried Survival with a shadow priest?

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 01:51 AM

View Postacushi, on 26 March 2013 - 04:46 AM, said:

Has anyone tried Survival with a shadow priest?

Tbh anything works with an Spriest atm :|.

I've seen Survival PHD with an Unholy DK tough.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 05:18 AM

Why would you pick Survival over Marks or BM? It doesn't really have much to offer in terms of uniqueness. Roots on your frost trap and snake trap -- that's about it. The burst is meh. With Black Arrow tied to Explosive Trap, you're losing a lot of utility on Z axis maps also.

Edited by Nitric, 27 March 2013 - 05:19 AM.


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Posted 27 March 2013 - 06:09 AM

View PostNitric, on 27 March 2013 - 05:18 AM, said:

Why would you pick Survival over Marks or BM? It doesn't really have much to offer in terms of uniqueness. Roots on your frost trap and snake trap -- that's about it. The burst is meh. With Black Arrow tied to Explosive Trap, you're losing a lot of utility on Z axis maps also.

Spread pressure mostly, don't think people realise how hard Serpent Sting ticks for as SV in a Mastery build atm, having entrapment allows you to play to play with Crouching Tiger, Hidden Chimera a lot more too since we're so reliant on Narrow Escape atm.

They still need to fix Black Arrow tough, remove the CD but allow it to only be on a target at a time and make it proc lock and load when dispelled, also untie it from Explosive trap, just make ET remove Black Arrow to prevent having PvE Hunters to stack both on bosses.

Tada, SV fixed.

Edited by GrieverZ, 27 March 2013 - 06:09 AM.


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Posted 27 March 2013 - 06:14 AM

View PostNitric, on 27 March 2013 - 05:18 AM, said:

Why would you pick Survival over Marks or BM? It doesn't really have much to offer in terms of uniqueness. Roots on your frost trap and snake trap -- that's about it. The burst is meh. With Black Arrow tied to Explosive Trap, you're losing a lot of utility on Z axis maps also.

Because its a fun spec, and you play games to have fun?  I've always enjoyed SV alot more than BM.  Was just asking a question since I havent had a sub since christmas.  No need to be a complete ass

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 02:16 PM

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Spread pressure mostly, don't think people realise how hard Serpent Sting ticks for as SV in a Mastery build.

How hard does it actually tick for? Mine doesn't crit for more than 13k crit ticks when I'm reforged for full mastery. I am using the MM off pieces though, so that's about 1200 mastery less, but I can't see that making it a huge difference.

View Postacushi, on 27 March 2013 - 06:14 AM, said:

Because its a fun spec, and you play games to have fun?  I've always enjoyed SV alot more than BM.  Was just asking a question since I havent had a sub since christmas.  No need to be a complete ass

How was I being a complete ass? Did I call you an idiot for speccing it? I stated my opinion and my reasoning behind why I thought Survival was weak compared to the other two. If I sounded like an ass, I'm sorry - that wasn't my intention.

Edited by Nitric, 27 March 2013 - 02:17 PM.


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Posted 27 March 2013 - 05:02 PM

View PostNitric, on 27 March 2013 - 02:16 PM, said:

How hard does it actually tick for? Mine doesn't crit for more than 13k crit ticks when I'm reforged for full mastery. I am using the MM off pieces though, so that's about 1200 mastery less, but I can't see that making it a huge difference.



How was I being a complete ass? Did I call you an idiot for speccing it? I stated my opinion and my reasoning behind why I thought Survival was weak compared to the other two. If I sounded like an ass, I'm sorry - that wasn't my intention.

Depending on procs and everything, i've seen 30k+ crits in my current gear mastery reforged in arena goofing around. I ran RBGs (lolrbgs whatever) with another Hunter doing 20m+ damage every game as SV, fully pvp power gemmed and all tough.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 06:10 PM

View PostGrieverZ, on 27 March 2013 - 05:02 PM, said:

Depending on procs and everything, i've seen 30k+ crits in my current gear mastery reforged in arena goofing around. I ran RBGs (lolrbgs whatever) with another Hunter doing 20m+ damage every game as SV, fully pvp power gemmed and all tough.

Yea would seem like SV with serpent spread would be fun in Rbgs and I would imagine damage like that.
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 10:36 PM

Survival (Serpent Spread + Barrage) is pretty good for rbg's especially on capture the flag maps where we aren't watching a base as bm.

Has anyone tested binding shot for vortex/beam combo?

Edited by TheGosuStandard, 27 March 2013 - 10:40 PM.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 08:20 AM

View PostTheGosuStandard, on 27 March 2013 - 10:36 PM, said:

Survival (Serpent Spread + Barrage) is pretty good for rbg's especially on capture the flag maps where we aren't watching a base as bm.

Has anyone tested binding shot for vortex/beam combo?

Thats what i use in RBGs atm, i do miss silencing shot tough, thinking maybe to start running with a Nether Ray pet get it back while speccing Binding Shot, altough the Sporebat/Fox Mind Numbing Clouds are also very good they require the pet to be in melee constantly...considering they die if anyone sneeze on them atm its fucking annoying.




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