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[Braindance]

flannelsoff, on 20 February 2013 - 08:04 PM, said:

Conversion/Blood Presence tell me otherwise

Conversion cripples your damage. Blood presence with the new warrior sustained buffs is nothing

[ApplejackxD]

I don't understand how you mafakkas can cry about high burst when 99% of you though WotLK was the best expac... That was all about the damige!

[Mirionx]

Djandawg, on 20 February 2013 - 06:56 PM, said:

I have been watching last 20 mins, he just said I am not doing any healing and having really hard time picking you guys up.

Because hydra isn't a whiny bitch, right? Every single team he plays has at least 2 "retard" classes and the only comp that requires skill according to him is RMP and it's never a viable comp if you ask him.

[Conradical]

Spoiler

I think I might just retire from PvP with these changes. I really enjoy the long game, not the zerg.

[Zerlog]

hehe..right the tags   **shrugs the thread untill the tags fall off**

conrad why why whyyyyy

Edited by Zerlog, 20 February 2013 - 10:45 PM.

[ApplejackxD]

Conradical, on 20 February 2013 - 10:38 PM, said:

Spoiler

I think I might just retire from PvP with these changes. I really enjoy the long game, not the zerg.

Cos these changes are likely to last forever if people complain like always? You want perfect or you want nothing, yes?

[Seu]

ApplejackxD, on 20 February 2013 - 09:56 PM, said:

I don't understand how you mafakkas can cry about high burst when 99% of you though WotLK was the best expac... That was all about the damige!

in  most scenarios in wotlk you could play well to shut other teams burst down, or avoid cc. it just felt like you could actually do things in general because mechanics were more demanding for most classes.

you cant really make big plays anymore in mop and being able to do good damage isnt impressive either - any idiot can pump out insane damage and sick cc because its so simplified. its why people stopped making arena videos... there was just nothing impressive/worth showing when you went through your clips at the end of the day.

if you think wrath 3v3 was centered 100% around pumping damage like mop is, then i doubt you played the game at a high level at the time.

[Djandawg]

Seu, on 20 February 2013 - 11:15 PM, said:

in  most scenarios in wotlk you could play well to shut other teams burst down, or avoid cc. it just felt like you could actually do things in general because mechanics were more demanding for most classes.

you cant really make big plays anymore in mop and being able to do good damage isnt impressive either - any idiot can pump out insane damage and sick cc because its so simplified. its why people stopped making arena videos... there was just nothing impressive/worth showing when you went through your clips at the end of the day.

if you think wrath 3v3 was centered 100% around pumping damage like mop is, then i doubt you played the game at a high level at the time.

Pretty much this. I think it's a combination of new talent tree design and added interrupts / instant cc
Many things belonging to the old main pvp spec are now either baseline due to simplification  or they can put a talent point to obtain a very good ability of the other spec, like all mage specs having access to pom, coldsnap, deep freeze, warriors having access to mass reflect, shockwave, all druids having ns, typhoon and so on.
As a result of all this, I believe we reached a state of game where some classes always have an ability/instant cc available for any given situation while doing borderline healable damage.

Edited by Djandawg, 21 February 2013 - 12:53 AM.

[Djandawg]

Mirionx, on 20 February 2013 - 10:18 PM, said:

Every single team he plays has at least 2 "retard" classes and the only comp that requires skill according to him is RMP and it's never a viable comp if you ask him.

I don't need to ask him, it's my thoughts exactly

[wtfbro]

Braindance, on 20 February 2013 - 07:13 PM, said:

The easiest fix to that would be to make shields remove say 50% of the necrotics - I don't think there would be a problem then. It mostly has to do with how necrotic's work not priest's themselves

yea they should make shields count as heals on necrotics (say you have 100k necrotic on you -> put shield up for say 70k -> shield goes off but counts as a 70k heal and you have to just heal for the 30k remaining healing absorb from necrotic)

[Braindance]

wtfbro, on 21 February 2013 - 01:13 AM, said:

yea they should make shields count as heals on necrotics (say you have 100k necrotic on you -> put shield up for say 70k -> shield goes off but counts as a 70k heal and you have to just heal for the 30k remaining healing absorb from necrotic)

That would be a tad too much cause shields are instant and necrotics have a ramp up

[Djandawg]

Priest shields interacting with necrotic strike have been proposed since s9, many many times

[Zerlog]

Guys chill out y0 this aint no star trek battle landscape

[Seu]

Braindance, on 21 February 2013 - 01:16 AM, said:

That would be a tad too much cause shields are instant and necrotics have a ramp up

my paladin has several instant heals to clear necros with, dont know why you think pws on its own would be the tipping point

[Braindance]

Seu, on 21 February 2013 - 02:15 AM, said:

my paladin has several instant heals to clear necros with, dont know why you think pws on its own would be the tipping point

They all revolve around shock tho

[Seu]

Braindance, on 21 February 2013 - 02:30 AM, said:

They all revolve around shock tho

yes they do... what does that have to do with anything, you can still use all of them with necros on you

holy prism is very strong as well

i guess you could be trying to help prove my point by suggesting that hpally healing revolves around shock, and dpriest healing revolves around pw:s, so pw:s not working with necros is similar to holy shock not working with necro?

I mean, this isnt even taking into consideration mobility issues. The best thing against necro as a healer is using whatever mobility you have to get out of the dk's los and heal your necros off safely, yet another thing priests are unable to do as well as any other healer. Even without instant heals my paladin would do better to tank against dks as i could sprint freedom while hes kidney'd and flash of light stacks off behind a pillar

[Braindance]

Seu, on 21 February 2013 - 02:42 AM, said:

yes they do... what does that have to do with anything, you can still use all of them with necros on you

holy prism is very strong as well

i guess you could be trying to help prove my point by suggesting that hpally healing revolves around shock, and dpriest healing revolves around pw:s, so pw:s not working with necros is similar to holy shock not working with necro?

I mean, this isnt even taking into consideration mobility issues. The best thing against necro as a healer is using whatever mobility you have to get out of the dk's los and heal your necros off safely, yet another thing priests are unable to do as well as any other healer. Even without instant heals my paladin would do better to tank against dks as i could sprint freedom while hes kidney'd and flash of light stacks off behind a pillar

That has mostly to do with how each class works - paladins are countered by mages the same way you are countered by dks. it is an issue that has to do with the specific ability itself. To fix this an even easier solution would be for necrotic to not penetrate shields (eg you have 150k necrotics on you and you use shield - even if the dk spams necrotic the stacks don't increase).

[Drake]

http://www.twitch.tv...ist/b/369398468

57:25 and watch the monk explode. +52% FB damage yo!

[thrudgel]

Back in wotlk players arena with 200ms or more and its normal pvp.
I would play with 800ms when I went overseas and get 2300s in arena back then with Rdruid.

Typically when you cyclone someone, and they cyclone you, both players get cycloned. All casted cc has this effect with high latency.

Instant cc now means that players who have lower ms land the cc first every time, so better internet connection always wins. The game design has changed to lower gcd's below 1.5 seconds as well. The whole reason behind the 1.5sec gcd was that players with latency could compete.

I think that's the biggest difference between then and now. It's because technology improves. Instant cc is viable with how good internet is now. Game has to keep evolving or it will die.

[Welgard]

Seu, on 21 February 2013 - 02:42 AM, said:

i guess you could be trying to help prove my point by suggesting that hpally healing revolves around shock, and dpriest healing revolves around pw:s, so pw:s not working with necros is similar to holy shock not working with necro?

The issue with allowing absorb mechanics to affect necrotic's healing absorb is that all of a sudden, all those absorbs that might get dispelled quickly (illuminated healing for example) rip a massive chunk of the necrotic absorb off and make it irrelevant.  If you make only pw:s do it, the fact remains that even if that shield gets dispelled, it already counted against the necrotic strike absorb, nullifying the potential to at least dispel it (though offensive dispels are currently a disaster).

I'm fine with pw:s being considered a heal for necrotic strike as long as that necrotic strike takes away whatever it was supposed to absorb for healing off of the pw:s total.  Main problem with necrotic is that unholy sacrifices very little damage to use it while also having it absorb much more, whereas frost sacrifices tons of damage.  Worst case scenario it isn't too bad to delay the fight 10 seconds and reset it.