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[Zerlog]

GC currently (on live) Vampiric Touch don't return mana when hit shielded targets, is this intent? Also, dispelling VT causes it to diminish return itself and Psychic Horror intended as well? I think it devaluate the dispel protection.
The first part (vs. shields) is a bug and now fixed. The second part (the dispel DR) is intended.




http://blue.mmo-cham...issues-part-ii/


ghostcrawler has to go, Anyone know if UA dispel DR's on PTR aswell? or blizz just jking with us

[Braindance]

Zerlog, on 12 February 2013 - 07:35 AM, said:

GC currently (on live) Vampiric Touch don't return mana when hit shielded targets, is this intent? Also, dispelling VT causes it to diminish return itself and Psychic Horror intended as well? I think it devaluate the dispel protection.
The first part (vs. shields) is a bug and now fixed. The second part (the dispel DR) is intended.




http://blue.mmo-cham...issues-part-ii/


ghostcrawler has to go, Anyone know if UA dispel DR's on PTR aswell? or blizz just jking with us

It should dr - it's not like you can spam dispel.....

[Deeklol]

i want my VT to do 100k damage when dispelled. All about dem damages

[Hankpro]

Braindance, on 12 February 2013 - 07:40 AM, said:

It should dr - it's not like you can spam dispel.....

maybe but dont you still think its bad that it DRs the disarm stun?

[Zerlog]

Deeklol, on 12 February 2013 - 08:54 AM, said:

i want my VT to do 100k damage when dispelled. All about dem damages

Hankpro, on 12 February 2013 - 09:09 AM, said:

maybe but dont you still think its bad that it DRs the disarm stun?

its not about the VT (Fear effect) or that it shoud do damage, its about teh Disarm/stun the horror effect DR

[rtcinema]

UA dispel doesn't DR itself, nor does it DR with other silences.

[Zerlog]

rtcinema, on 12 February 2013 - 11:45 AM, said:

UA dispel doesn't DR itself, nor does it DR with other silences.

great, shadow priests "Ua called Vampiric touch" Dr with itself + disarm horror, great, and apparently its intended ;(

[Eltekk]

oh my god everywhere i go on AJ there is this dude djfrostbomb..

[Donald]

UA dispel doesnt DR with itself or other silences

flame shock dispel doesnt DR with itself

VT dispel DRs with itself, mortal coil and psychic horror

[CrossBlesserx]

Eltekk, on 12 February 2013 - 01:54 PM, said:

oh my god everywhere i go on AJ there is this dude djfrostbomb..

He is trying to break some sort of record on most useless posts made in  a month.

[Djandawg]

VT also protects SW: Pain, which is 13k + 9k = 22k mana, each is the triple  of warlock dots and nether tempest.(Corruption: 3.7k mana)
If you don't play with a mage, the other healer has nothing else to dispel. It's not like oh VT dispel, lets insta reapply, it's a cast;If you are getting trained, you have to go through 2 interrupts and 2 stuns(sometimes more if double melee etc) + the pushback. So once you get VT back up again, the dispel cd is either over or ends in 2 seconds. So you burn another 22k mana to get 6k mana back.
To give you some idea how expensive priest spells are:
-Mindblast 9k -Shield: 18.3k -Dispel: 8k -Massdispel:40k -Prayer of mending: 8k -Psyfiend: 12k -Sw: pain: 13k
-Vampiric Touch:9k

You go oom so hard when people train you and dispel VT on cd. It's not only that, you barely get your orbs to use psychic horror, result: immune.
Everything depending on a spell(dmg procs too) that has no dispel protection, making the enemy team immune to one of your spells is just bad design.

This is not intended, if it was intended why did they spend so many months to fix it on cata? It just randomly bugged again, they said fuck it we are gonna nerf shadow anyway, so let this be one of the nerfs, now we won't have to debug DRs of VT for months.
Same way psyfiend and shadowfiend suddenly became demons lol.

Edited by Djandawg, 12 February 2013 - 03:26 PM.

[Braindance]

Hankpro, on 12 February 2013 - 09:09 AM, said:

maybe but dont you still think its bad that it DRs the disarm stun?

sorry i fucking suck - it shouldn't dr with the disarm it should dr with itself i fucking suck

[Scratchyo]

vt dispel should burn 10% mana or deal some dmg, but not that shitty useless horror

[Zerlog]

Scratchyo, on 12 February 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

vt dispel should burn 10% mana or deal some dmg, but not that shitty useless horror

thats a good idea, but dno if it will work tho

Edited by Zerlog, 12 February 2013 - 05:57 PM.

[Virent]

Braindance, on 12 February 2013 - 04:55 PM, said:

sorry i fucking suck - it shouldn't dr with the disarm it should dr with itself i fucking suck

It shouldn't DR with either. It's our main source to get mana from and it doesn't even do dmg like UA does. Why would it DR?

Have you tried putting VT's up with a warrior up your butt?

Scratchyo, on 12 February 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

vt dispel should burn 10% mana or deal some dmg, but not that shitty useless horror

I agree for the dmg part if they actually do intend to keep it DRing. It should at least do the dmg that UA does. Or give us 10% of our mana back instead upon dispel. That would actually fix it more than anything. Would give an actual penalty for spam dispelling our DoTs.

To burn 10% of the enemy's mana would be overpowered though.

Edited by Virent, 12 February 2013 - 06:00 PM.

[Theed]

Priest
- We are sympathetic to the argument that we have been schizophrenic (to use the term incorrectly) in the Shadow PvP 4pc VT dispel bonus. Originally the enemy strategy was to just "get it over with" and dispel VT until the horror went on DR. We changed the way dispels work so that isn't much of a strategy these days, however the dispel is still in the hands of the enemy and not the Shadow priest, which we agree makes the DR extra punitive. We also think we've hit Shadow hard enough in PvP that this nerf isn't required, so we're going to remove the DR from the Horror proc from VT dispels.

Source: http://blue.mmo-cham...issues-part-ii/
Amazing how fast they change their mind.

[amirdaheat]

at least they DO change their minds when it comes to these kind of things

[Smokestomp]

Donald, on 12 February 2013 - 02:05 PM, said:

UA dispel doesnt DR with itself or other silences

flame shock dispel doesnt DR with itself

VT dispel DRs with itself, mortal coil and psychic horror

flame shock doesn't actually do anything when dispelled.

[Nadagast]

I'm very disappointed that they think they've hit Shadow hard enough in 5.2.

[Khra]

LOL they really think they nerfed shadow? its now more overpowered with the PvP Power Healing buff... shadow is beyond retarded its not fun to play against them