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#1 Mushx

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 09:11 AM

As it appears our current Malevolent T2 2/2 upgraded weapons will be better than next season's Tyrannical T1 weapons.

Our current T2 2/2 upgraded Malevolent weapons are 498 ilvl while next season's T1 Tyrannical weapons are only 493 ilvl (non-upgradeable).

So that would mean it would be better for us to hold onto our Malevolent T2 2/2 weapons until we can purchase T2 Tyrannical weapons (512 ilvl) after earning 27,000 conquest points for the season.

If you plan on playing alts that are currently undergeared for next season, you might want to get that T2 2/2 weapon this season in preparation for next season. Or else you will play at a disadvantage having weapons that are 5 ilvls lower for at least 2 months. I would also upgrade as much gear as possible for that slight advantage early in the season.


Also to note, Tyrannical Gladiator gear have an ilvl of 493 while S12 2/2 Malevolent gear are 491 ilvl. That is only a 2 ilvl difference which doesn't seem like much. I hope blizzard can adjust this properly.

It seems like blizzard wants to prevent PvE nerds from using PvP gear to get into LFR and from using PvP weapons as a headstart for PvE but this makes absolutely no sense for the PvP side of things.

Here are screen shots of the item stat differences found on the PTR 1/30/2013.

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Edited by Mushx, 31 January 2013 - 09:43 AM.


#2 TteSPORTSDoomsen

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 09:14 AM

I'm not quite sure but I think I read a post about, that the Malevolent Gear will be downscaled in general, atleast the weapons?

#3 Mushx

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 09:18 AM

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I'm not quite sure but I think I read a post about, that the Malevolent Gear will be downscaled in general, atleast the weapons?

Really? I hope I'm wrong here.

I only saw posts where they said they are downscaling the S13 Malevolent gear's ilvl (next season's honor gear) so people won't have an easy way into LFR, while leaving all current Malevolent gear alone.

Edited by Mushx, 27 January 2013 - 09:21 AM.


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Posted 27 January 2013 - 09:20 AM

Every upgrades on Malevolent items will be removed in 5.2
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#5 Mushx

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 09:41 AM

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Every upgrades on Malevolent items will be removed in 5.2

Posted on Ghostcrawler's twitter on Jan 11-12

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@Ghostcrawler @Panterpe What is happening to the already-upgraded gear? Will they keep stats/display upgrades on tooltips?

Greg Street@Ghostcrawler

@perculia Upgraded gear will not lose its upgrades. Upgrading will likely return after 5.2, but we'll evaluate all the feedback and see.


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@Ghostcrawler @Panterpe So... those who dont have their PVP Gear upgraded by 5.2, will be at a disadvantage to those who have it upgraded..


Greg Street@Ghostcrawler
@QQuacktastic But the new PvP gear is higher ilevel and it is accessible to both. Yes, you will be a little behind someone who played more.

Edited by Mushx, 27 January 2013 - 09:42 AM.


#6 Jinngofagswag

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 09:52 AM

All pvp gear will be downscaled.

Edited by Jinngofagswag, 27 January 2013 - 09:53 AM.


#7 Zunniyaki

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 09:59 AM

Items are downgraded on ptr at least - perhaps bugged then
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#8 Mushx

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 10:18 AM

View PostJinngofagswag, on 27 January 2013 - 09:52 AM, said:

All pvp gear will be downscaled.

All newly purchased Season 2 Malevolent Gladiator’s armor, offhands, and shields will have an item level of 476 (was 483). Existing Malevolent items are unaffected.

#9 Deonto

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 10:37 AM

If you go to the ptr section of wowhead, it has them listed as 493(matching non-elitle gear). And t2 is currently 512(same as elite gear).

I'm fairly positive that the ilvls just simply haven't been adjusted yet. t1 will probably end up around ~500+ and t2 will probably be ~520+. T2 will have to end up being fairly high in ilvl.. to make sure it's better than heroic weapons(seems pve weps will push 541). Unless, of course, they just add a lot more pvp power to pvp weps.
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#10 Bidj

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 10:44 AM

As they already said, they will overbudget the pvp power and the resilience on the new gear. The difference will be almost nothing.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 11:09 AM

I really doubt they would miscalculate that bad where this seasons weps will be better than the t1 version of next season, what zuni posted is probably right about removing upgrades completely

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 11:12 AM

View PostDeonto, on 27 January 2013 - 10:37 AM, said:

If you go to the ptr section of wowhead, it has them listed as 493(matching non-elitle gear). And t2 is currently 512(same as elite gear).

I'm fairly positive that the ilvls just simply haven't been adjusted yet. t1 will probably end up around ~500+ and t2 will probably be ~520+. T2 will have to end up being fairly high in ilvl.. to make sure it's better than heroic weapons(seems pve weps will push 541). Unless, of course, they just add a lot more pvp power to pvp weps.

Oh thanks! That PTR database is showing Tyrannical weapons at 493 ilvl so our 498 ilvl weapons are still better but not as much as I thought... and things can still change and get adjusted of course. And the PTR wowhead database isn't exactly the most reliable source.

View PostBidj, on 27 January 2013 - 10:44 AM, said:

As they already said, they will overbudget the pvp power and the resilience on the new gear. The difference will be almost nothing.

Yeah they better because a 2 ilvl increase is pathetic.

Edited by Mushx, 27 January 2013 - 11:26 AM.


#13 Mushx

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 09:40 AM

Updated with screen shots from the latest PTR build on 1/30/2013.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 11:46 AM

View PostSmooviex, on 27 January 2013 - 11:09 AM, said:

I really doubt they would miscalculate that bad where this seasons weps will be better than the t1 version of next season, what zuni posted is probably right about removing upgrades completely

They already stated they wont be removing upgrades, I'm guessing they haven't decided on how much they want to buff the power/resi of everything including the s13 malevolent gear and haven't adjusted the ilvl/stats yet as a result.

Edited by Execx, 31 January 2013 - 11:46 AM.


#15 Dakkrothy

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 12:33 PM

2 ilvl difference is quite laughable, although  I think its good that the Ilvls dont get too carried away, as it'd be harder to balance.



I really hope they wont buff resilience too much :X Can almost stack 70% already, if they give the gear much more resilience it's going be a borefest

Edited by Dakkrothy, 31 January 2013 - 12:36 PM.


#16 Regent

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:29 PM

View PostDakkrothy, on 31 January 2013 - 12:33 PM, said:

2 ilvl difference is quite laughable, although  I think its good that the Ilvls dont get too carried away, as it'd be harder to balance.



I really hope they wont buff resilience too much :X Can almost stack 70% already, if they give the gear much more resilience it's going be a borefest

Isn't resilience worth much less after a certain point though? So in s14 people will be at a point where resil isn't worth much and instead stack more damage and we have another s9.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 11:58 PM

View PostRegent, on 31 January 2013 - 08:29 PM, said:

Isn't resilience worth much less after a certain point though? So in s14 people will be at a point where resil isn't worth much and instead stack more damage and we have another s9.
Resil only becomes worth more, it's been discussed to death.




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