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[Renaissance_Man]

http://blue.mmo-cham...t-bonus-issues/ - Source (go to the very bottom of the page)

Warlock
- We are reverting the removal of Spell Lock.

Mage
- We are reverting the removal of Improved Counterspell.

Druid
- We are reverting Cyclone having shared diminishing returns with other forms of crowd control. While we are keeping the cooldown of Cyclone cast by Feral druids in order to make Predatory Swiftness CC less dominant, we are lowering the cooldown to 20 sec from 30 sec.

Monk
- Ring of Peace has been adjusted. It now forms a sanctuary around the friendly target, causing enemies within 8 yards to be disarmed and causes enemies who cast a harmful spell to be silenced for 3 sec. Moving out of the ring does not remove the silence, but it won't trigger again. The duration of Ring of Peace is 8 sec.

I also want to reiterate that we see very little PvP participation during the PTR. This isn't really too surprising since it takes a sizable time commitment and a critical mass of skilled players to really generate good Arena or BG testing. (By contrast, guilds trying out the new raid encounters gives us a lot of PvE testing.) We're not blaming anyone - PvP is just hard to measure until it gets into the "real world," so we are even more dependent on player feedback. Unfortunately, PvP feedback is even more subjective than PvE feedback for a number of reasons, including the lack of meaningful meters, the challenge of keeping in mind the evolving tapestry of changes to all classes, and of course the very human tendency that makes it easy for some players to be quick to take credit for their victories and quick to blame their class for their defeats.

This just means PvP balance is always going to take a lot of iteration. We appreciate your patience and all of the good feedback that we get.

Edited by Renaissance_Man, 25 January 2013 - 07:33 PM.

[Renaissance_Man]

Hope the text isn't too hard to read. Didn't bother changing the font/color.

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http://blue.mmo-cham...t-bonus-issues/

All really good changes, anybody playing the PTR saw how neutered Locks and Mages were without them.  I hope we can get to a point where healers have to heal and players have to interrupt them, but we're so far from that model right now that half-implementing the solution didn't help.

His note about lack of PvP participation on the PTR is really true.  I think it'd be great if, on this PTR or the next one, we pick specific times/days of the week to mob the PTR with our live characters and run a bunch of 3v3.  It's silly how critical so many of us are towards the devs, when we fail to give enough meaningful feedback on their iterative changes to make informed decisions. If you play, they'll watch you, I promise.

[wtfbro]

mages won't be butthurt anymore

[Snuggli]

Wow. Blizzard is really turning over a new leaf recently. They actually listened to the PvP community and didn't just push changes live without thinking about consequences. +1.

[Korzul]

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I also want to reiterate that we see very little PvP participation during the PTR.

Could be something to do with the fact the removed the pvp vendors making it impossible to test stuff with full conquest unless you were lucky enough to make the correct class during the few days they were up? I mean i'd test ele with a char transfer but you know, with the conquest points were completely swimming in to buy offspec gear on live............ oh nvm.

[krewn]

totally didnt see this coming

Warlock
- We are reverting the removal of Spell Lock.

Mage
- We are reverting the removal of Improved Counterspell.

[Execx]

SO GOOD! where did you find this btw?

[rob-hype]

And yet, I like Affx's better. More official and actually gives the source link.

[Renaissance_Man]

Execx, on 25 January 2013 - 07:02 PM, said:

SO GOOD! where did you find this btw?

http://blue.mmo-cham...t-bonus-issues/

[Dizzeeyo]

rob-hype, on 25 January 2013 - 07:03 PM, said:

And yet, I like Affx's better. More official and actually gives the source link.

plus has font in a color that doesn't break your eyes

[Rylezlol]

Early birthday presents. thanks dad

[Djandawg]

And a plate mongoloid died somewhere...

[Classiks]

Lameeeeee

Should at least make it so you can only get silenced once instead of mage(SPRIEST)/rog just spam blankets before and after stunlocks.


Edit: do Mage nerfs ever stick?

Edited by Classiks, 25 January 2013 - 07:29 PM.

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weird thread merge

[Yarmyxx]

awesome change , everybody knew that without imp cs mages and locks were garbage

Edited by Yarmyxx, 25 January 2013 - 07:29 PM.

[Yarmyxx]

krewn, on 25 January 2013 - 07:00 PM, said:

totally didnt see this coming

war whining , bitch please

[Friedkitteh]

I cried :')