257 replies to this topic

[Braindance]

rageTG, on 22 January 2013 - 06:39 PM, said:

Problem is warrior in battle stance dies faster than about any class other than DPS monk and Rogue (who has other defensive's).

Battle stance should be similar to shadow-form, aspect of the iron hawk, and fel armor just give a 10 or 15% damage reduction, and this problem will be mute.

Someone smart

[Duncan]

brosearch, on 22 January 2013 - 05:56 PM, said:

I am really confused and I apologize if there is something I'm not understanding.

You are low on rage in defensive stance. You are not low on rage while in battle stance. Is that not how it should be?

Cant you go into battle stance and the rage problem is solved right? Obviously you will respond with, "lol and take full damage and get swapped to and die???" Most classes dont have the cc, the mobility, and the various defensive abilities wars have, and they for the most part find a way to survive with no damage reduction.

Again, I really am not trying to sound like a condescending jerk here but it really seems as tho you guys feel entitled to defensive stance benefits while doing battle stance damage. Why is that?

As I agree that being low on rage in d, and able to maintain in battle is how it should be that is just a part of the problem.  Warriors have been designed with a passive damage reduction in battle stance since forever that is gone this expansion and it does more harm then good if your in that stance.  For example say you want to keep UA up but it costs 10% mana every time you cast it, and 10% of your mana to fel flame.  You will oom making you life tap repeatedly breaking your class incapable of maintaining crap let a alone high spread pressure so you have to lose all of your hp to do damage the trade off is not fair neither is telling a warrior he will be fine in battle stance..  Warriors resource would feel like that in D stance breaking us, so we go to battle and die. A melee that has to run out instantly every time with no ranged abilities will lose quite fast in arenas.

[Baksteen]

D stance should just give rage when damage taken to prevent us from being target dummies next patch.

[djp771133]

SO many idiots.  Do they not realize most if not all classes have passive reduction?  Spriests shadowform, lock fel armor, rogues can have recoup+feint(still flop over but it's something).  Mage has molten armor, dks blood presence, even hunters get 15% with the aspect, you get the point.  Most classes at this point have 10-15% damage reduct, and taking away from warriors is retarded.

All they need to fix this is give 15% to battle stance, or take off ragecost of overpower.  Nerf to 15% was fine and needed, but you CANNOT play in defensive stance with no rage, and going battlestance is just not an option (warriors have terrible defensive cds).

Edited by djp771133, 22 January 2013 - 08:21 PM.

[pyrellael_3428244]

My only thoughts are that going battle stance shouldn't be suicide but honestly I think warriors will be fine and they'll just be more interesting to play, I just don't see why stances aren't on the global Instead of a 3 second CD

My only question is Second Wind or Enraged regen with the nerf to second wind not activating when stunned? o.o

Edited by pyrellael_3428244, 22 January 2013 - 08:16 PM.

[Covlol]

pyrellael_3428244, on 22 January 2013 - 08:16 PM, said:

My only thoughts are that going battle stance shouldn't be suicide but honestly I think warriors will be fine and they'll just be more interesting to play, I just don't see why stances aren't on the global Instead of a 3 second CD

My only question is Second Wind or Enraged regen with the nerf to second wind not activating when stunned? o.o

Still want second wind, dont forget the rage you get from immobilizing effects

[pyrellael_3428244]

Oh true, I forget about the rage gain sometimes.

[flannelsoff]

djp771133, on 22 January 2013 - 07:59 PM, said:

SO many idiots.  Do they not realize most if not all classes have passive reduction?  Spriests shadowform, lock fel armor, rogues can have recoup+feint(still flop over but it's something).  Mage has molten armor, dks blood presence, even hunters get 15% with the aspect, you get the point.  Most classes at this point have 10-15% damage reduct, and taking away from warriors is retarded.

All they need to fix this is give 15% to battle stance, or take off ragecost of overpower.  Nerf to 15% was fine and needed, but you CANNOT play in defensive stance with no rage, and going battlestance is just not an option (warriors have terrible defensive cds).

dks have to switch to blood pres like warrior too

[sarma]

Duncan, on 22 January 2013 - 11:49 AM, said:

This is sad, but is the truth here is a video from the ptr, and a link to my forum post on blizzard ptr forums  Please post shortly after you watch the video, or try out the ptr lets attempt to make a difference blizzard has shown signs of looking at pvp much more this expansion.

So you cant sit in defensive stance anymore having passive shieldwall 24/7 and play wotlk ret with some dump on rage when you have it?


Maybe you should think about gemming some resilance like rest of classes do and sit in battlestance like its supposed to be. And swap to defensive stance only once other team pops cds on you or your healer takes cc.

[Hoodzx]

sarma, on 22 January 2013 - 11:01 PM, said:

So you cant sit in defensive stance anymore having passive shieldwall 24/7 and play wotlk ret with some dump on rage when you have it?


Maybe you should think about gemming some resilance like rest of classes do and sit in battlestance like its supposed to be. And swap to defensive stance only once other team pops cds on you or your healer takes cc.

http://us.battle.net...norbok/advanced

66,55% resilience, 2,45% more wont change his life.

And we know we're supposed to sit in b-stance, but the risks are huge compared to the advantages so sitting in d-stance is still atm better.

Edited by Hoodzx, 22 January 2013 - 11:13 PM.

[Duncan]

sarma, on 22 January 2013 - 11:01 PM, said:

So you cant sit in defensive stance anymore having passive shieldwall 24/7 and play wotlk ret with some dump on rage when you have it?


Maybe you should think about gemming some resilance like rest of classes do and sit in battlestance like its supposed to be. And swap to defensive stance only once other team pops cds on you or your healer takes cc.

Not to call you out for stupidity, but note that I am gemmed resil all day everyday, maybe you should think about doing some research before opening your mouth about it.  
On a second note I do agree warriors should have to swap stances, but sitting on a warrior means they CAN NOT stay in battle with/wo opposing team cd's.  We take too much damage thus we will swap to defensive and do no damage so you continue to sit on the warrior and you win its not rocket science its truth you don't believe log on the ptr and watch it happen in 3s/duels.

[Bigmoran]

djp771133, on 22 January 2013 - 07:59 PM, said:

SO many idiots.  Do they not realize most if not all classes have passive reduction?  Spriests shadowform, lock fel armor, rogues can have recoup+feint(still flop over but it's something).  Mage has molten armor, dks blood presence, even hunters get 15% with the aspect, you get the point.  Most classes at this point have 10-15% damage reduct, and taking away from warriors is retarded.

All they need to fix this is give 15% to battle stance, or take off ragecost of overpower.  Nerf to 15% was fine and needed, but you CANNOT play in defensive stance with no rage, and going battlestance is just not an option (warriors have terrible defensive cds).

Yee but bro, theyre all wearing loin cloth pantaloons while youre wearing hell forged plate battle armor

[Duncan]

Bigmoran, on 22 January 2013 - 11:21 PM, said:

Yee but bro, theyre all wearing loin cloth pantaloons while youre wearing hell forged plate battle armor

They are also ranged kiting  classes that do magic damage which hell forged battle armor does not help unfortunately.

[Bigmoran]

Claynz, on 22 January 2013 - 05:57 PM, said:

This reminds me about the old "World of Roguecraft" videos were rogues were OP back in vanila wow and Mute said:

"When Blizzard finally began to buff the other classes to be on par. The suck players, who could barely understand two buttons, only saw that they were losing more often.  they would not admit, "Hey maybe i destroyed everyone because of my class. And now that the classes are more balanced I'm losing because i was never a good player to begin with." No, the only possibility in their minds is that rogues were broken.  And all other classes are overpowered.
How else could a elite video game master lose to noobs?"


When there is a Warrior in 9/10 top arena comps represented in the 3v3 bracket(here)
and higest represented class in arena, you think that warriors are fine, and will be TOTAL useless next patch?
sure they will maybe not be the top tier 1 class anymore so what? you will not be the worst. Will still be viable it will just get harder.

holy shit i just busted a nostalgia nut all over this puddle of warrior tears

i need to go change my socks, brb

[Bigmoran]

Duncan, on 22 January 2013 - 11:26 PM, said:

They are also ranged kiting  classes that do magic damage which hell forged battle armor does not help unfortunately.

I didn't know warlocks and spriests were considered kiting classes vs warriors

+ warrior mobility is at an all time high and if you are having kiting problems vs mages you are either doing it wrong or your partners arent helping you do it right

[sarma]

Duncan, on 22 January 2013 - 11:20 PM, said:

Not to call you out for stupidity, but note that I am gemmed resil all day everyday, maybe you should think about doing some research before opening your mouth about it.  

If you are at full resil and complaining about taking too much dmg then you are just terribad. And so are your partners.

[Hoodzx]

Bigmoran, on 22 January 2013 - 11:35 PM, said:

I didn't know warlocks and spriests were considered kiting classes vs warriors

+ warrior mobility is at an all time high and if you are having kiting problems vs mages you are either doing it wrong or your partners arent helping you do it right

Well its a question of situation, good partners or not, you can be kitted (remember the start of the season while playing a comp like WLD vs godmode on blade's edge arena ? Druids / spriest grippin all time long + ... well mage ^^)

Edited by Hoodzx, 22 January 2013 - 11:52 PM.

[Hoodzx]

sarma, on 22 January 2013 - 11:49 PM, said:

If you are at full resil and complaining about taking too much dmg then you are just terribad. And so are your partners.

this topic is about 5.2 mate, not sure if you noticed lol ^^

Edited by Hoodzx, 22 January 2013 - 11:54 PM.

[sarma]

Enjoy your justified nerf that should been a hotfix 10 days into this season not 5.2 patch

[Braindance]

Someone put a leash on those dogs lol - vexo where are you