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#181 Braindance

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 11:27 PM

View PostPinka, on 11 February 2013 - 09:28 AM, said:

With bleeds being buffed like that we can dish out some crazy aoe dmg with thunder clap. Equal to other dot classes.my avg dmg according to recount is 10% from deep wounds. With a 100% it will result in 20% total dmg. (Silly maths). Woud this change make avatar even stronger then bloodbath?

@braindance do you think haste will outscale mastery. Tbh with the 50% buff it will clearly be. Since more main attacks > extra swing. Blizz also stated that buffs will be effected. Meaning the 10% haste buff being 15% for us.
Haste gives rage - that is the main rationale behind reforging for haste. Mastery gives you nothing. Reforge should be crit and haste - with only 20% haste I drown in rage.

View Postjustchecking, on 10 November 2014 - 11:58 PM, said:

Going to blizzcon looking for a fight is like going to the official wow arena forums for pvp advice :)

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If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 02:45 AM

Warrior - We are going to try the suggestion where Overpower lowers the Mortal Strike cooldown by 0.5 sec. This is to avoid any conflict with the 1.0 sec GCD of Overpower causing niggling 0.5 sec holes in the rotation. See how it feels. This will be an Arms DPS increase that we're not sure they need after the Deep Wounds buff, but I'll report back if we take additional steps.

Interesting
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 06:31 PM

View PostCovlol, on 12 February 2013 - 02:45 AM, said:

Warrior - We are going to try the suggestion where Overpower lowers the Mortal Strike cooldown by 0.5 sec. This is to avoid any conflict with the 1.0 sec GCD of Overpower causing niggling 0.5 sec holes in the rotation. See how it feels. This will be an Arms DPS increase that we're not sure they need after the Deep Wounds buff, but I'll report back if we take additional steps.

Interesting

This is going to make Arms feel very smooth. I love it and I'm surprised they even went with this. Also more bursty ...

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 07:10 PM

View PostSilhin, on 12 February 2013 - 06:01 AM, said:

Still got more glad titles than u so aim not mad
hey, yo, dude.  Can I give you a hand and grab a bucket for you drool, you are making a mess all over this thread.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 04:03 PM

I kinda agree with most of the changes that are going to occur, even with it not being viable to be in defensive stance unless you're actually in trouble, i just wish training a warrior in defensive stance at least gave a bit of rage from damage taken. Most of you are far too comfortable with it actually being viable to maintain almost a full damage rotation while having a constant 25% damage reduction (15% in patch). Although with the uprise of rogues, i can't help but think it'll be s10/s11 all over again.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 08:11 AM

Please god not s10/11 again... Even top warriors with PVE gear struggled to get anywhere.  I'm going to play my warrior regardless of how we are balance wise...but got a resto druid ready, just to play something that is viable for longer than 10% of an expansion.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:52 AM

Ye, isn't it funny how rogue stun/silence lockdown is 400% more skilled than warbringer-shockwave ^^

Not to mention dying in a deep freeze isn't a problem but dying in a shockwave is. IMO they both are, yet only one of them is being looked at. :>

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 06:06 PM

a man or more are talking about reforging to haste post patch... Which I get... but it's not like we have flurry anymore. Haste was pretty appealing back in TBC. I can see it being marginably better than mastery though (since I think mastery is getting nerfed right). The haste buff sounds like a funny shit end of the stick buff, like it's there to be like HEY you didn't get completely nerfed bro!. I am curious though if haste has any effect on the pulsating of bladestorm, which I'm sure, doesn't.

Have you ever watched your DPS increase after bloodlust/heroism? It's tiny.

Mongoloid rogues. Gotta love how this class still acts like it's remotely difficult to play when it's so well documented by top tier players. Like we get it, most people do, we probably like it too, you're class is shit right now but it's still the same dirt ball class.

#189 Braindance

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 06:09 PM

View PostHalez, on 20 February 2013 - 06:06 PM, said:

a man or more are talking about reforging to haste post patch... Which I get... but it's not like we have flurry anymore. Haste was pretty appealing back in TBC. I can see it being marginably better than mastery though (since I think mastery is getting nerfed right). The haste buff sounds like a funny shit end of the stick buff, like it's there to be like HEY you didn't get completely nerfed bro!. I am curious though if haste has any effect on the pulsating of bladestorm, which I'm sure, doesn't.

Have you ever watched your DPS increase after bloodlust/heroism? It's tiny.

Mongoloid rogues. Gotta love how this class still acts like it's remotely difficult to play when it's so well documented by top tier players. Like we get it, most people do, we probably like it too, you're class is shit right now but it's still the same dirt ball class.
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Haste is better than crit in 5.2

View Postjustchecking, on 10 November 2014 - 11:58 PM, said:

Going to blizzcon looking for a fight is like going to the official wow arena forums for pvp advice :)

View PostRenaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

View Postsimonfra1234, on 25 August 2011 - 08:46 PM, said:

bro you got +rep'd by rapture...

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 07:42 PM

Regarding the buff to haste for Warriors: yes, indeed this is a buff. However, let's not forget that white swings grant you absolutely 0 rage in Defensive Stance. Thus, when getting heavily trained (from start to finish, which won't really be uncommon next patch), your haste becomes essentially useless (assuming that you're in Defensive Stance. If you're not, you're probably taking way too much damage).

Strategy for next season: grab 2 healers, stack haste, maybe a heroic PvE trinket, unbind Defensive Stance, and become a damage mongo. The buff to Slam and Deep Wounds "might just be enough" to snag that gib on that poor Warlock.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 01:50 AM

View PostVexxius, on 20 February 2013 - 07:42 PM, said:

Regarding the buff to haste for Warriors: yes, indeed this is a buff. However, let's not forget that white swings grant you absolutely 0 rage in Defensive Stance. Thus, when getting heavily trained (from start to finish, which won't really be uncommon next patch), your haste becomes essentially useless (assuming that you're in Defensive Stance. If you're not, you're probably taking way too much damage).

Strategy for next season: grab 2 healers, stack haste, maybe a heroic PvE trinket, unbind Defensive Stance, and become a damage mongo. The buff to Slam and Deep Wounds "might just be enough" to snag that gib on that poor Warlock.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 01:51 AM

View PostTenk, on 21 February 2013 - 01:50 AM, said:

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 04:31 AM

wtf did I just read.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 09:25 AM

View PostVexxius, on 20 February 2013 - 07:42 PM, said:

Regarding the buff to haste for Warriors: yes, indeed this is a buff. However, let's not forget that white swings grant you absolutely 0 rage in Defensive Stance. Thus, when getting heavily trained (from start to finish, which won't really be uncommon next patch), your haste becomes essentially useless (assuming that you're in Defensive Stance. If you're not, you're probably taking way too much damage).

Strategy for next season: grab 2 healers, stack haste, maybe a heroic PvE trinket, unbind Defensive Stance, and become a damage mongo. The buff to Slam and Deep Wounds "might just be enough" to snag that gib on that poor Warlock.

I've played dispel cleave in season 8... didn't particularly like the play style tbh... but I'm going to play what is good at the end of the day.  Which healers would work best... loladin and shaman?
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 06:24 PM

View Postardnut, on 21 February 2013 - 09:25 AM, said:

I've played dispel cleave in season 8... didn't particularly like the play style tbh... but I'm going to play what is good at the end of the day.  Which healers would work best... loladin and shaman?

I'd say Disc/Pally over Pally/RSham, since Disc will be good once again. I imagine Disc/Resto Druid might have the most potential since you'll have amazing CC and an easier time living through casters.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 06:30 PM

View PostVexxius, on 21 February 2013 - 06:24 PM, said:

I'd say Disc/Pally over Pally/RSham, since Disc will be good once again. I imagine Disc/Resto Druid might have the most potential since you'll have amazing CC and an easier time living through casters.
No - disc rdruid will be better. Two things:

a)Let's move to a different thread since this one's title is no longer representative of 5.2
b)Don't play dbl healer since there are more 'manly" comps that will be r1 viable (wld/wmd comes into mind)

View Postjustchecking, on 10 November 2014 - 11:58 PM, said:

Going to blizzcon looking for a fight is like going to the official wow arena forums for pvp advice :)

View PostRenaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

View Postsimonfra1234, on 25 August 2011 - 08:46 PM, said:

bro you got +rep'd by rapture...

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 06:36 PM

View PostBraindance, on 21 February 2013 - 06:30 PM, said:

No - disc rdruid will be better. Two things:

a)Let's move to a different thread since this one's title is no longer representative of 5.2
b)Don't play dbl healer since there are more 'manly" comps that will be r1 viable (wld/wmd comes into mind)

you forgot kfc

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 06:38 PM

View Postdjp771133, on 21 February 2013 - 06:36 PM, said:

you forgot kfc
Phd will be superior because of more utility and peels from dk - there is no need for a warrior since the added damage by bringing a warrior is outweighed by the lack of utility.

View Postjustchecking, on 10 November 2014 - 11:58 PM, said:

Going to blizzcon looking for a fight is like going to the official wow arena forums for pvp advice :)

View PostRenaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

View Postsimonfra1234, on 25 August 2011 - 08:46 PM, said:

bro you got +rep'd by rapture...

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 06:49 PM

View PostBraindance, on 21 February 2013 - 06:38 PM, said:

Phd will be superior because of more utility and peels from dk - there is no need for a warrior since the added damage by bringing a warrior is outweighed by the lack of utility.

Oooo is WMD good on ptr? I love playing with warriors.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 06:51 PM

View PostNumbtoes, on 21 February 2013 - 06:49 PM, said:

Oooo is WMD good on ptr? I love playing with warriors.
You put the best dps caster, the most bursty melee and the most flexible healer in the same comp. What can go wrong? The huge advantage is the amount of peels the druid+mage have, leaving the warrior free to go hulk smash

View Postjustchecking, on 10 November 2014 - 11:58 PM, said:

Going to blizzcon looking for a fight is like going to the official wow arena forums for pvp advice :)

View PostRenaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

View Postsimonfra1234, on 25 August 2011 - 08:46 PM, said:

bro you got +rep'd by rapture...




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