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#41 Hazzah

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:30 PM

View PostBraindance, on 20 January 2013 - 03:18 AM, said:

Right now NO class can get 150k crits like this guy did - let alone instant ones rofl.

You have clearly never faced a destruction warlock with chaos bolt and shadowburn keybound.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:42 PM

View PostRadejjj, on 20 January 2013 - 02:58 AM, said:

You're an idiot trying to justify instant starsurges that crit for 150k and dots ticking for 40k.

You are the idiot that thinks dots tick for 40k.  If you actually look at the combat log, he's getting 15k dot ticks.  You need to read the difference between "damaged by" which is the dot portion and "hit by" which is the instant cast spam.  


In that combat log, he spammed 2 instant moonfires that both crit for 35k and 40k respectively.  He also popped every CD under the sun to crit 150k, big chicken + NV + trinket.

In that log, the druid got EXTREMELY lucky.  Let's look at some basic math:


He crit 2xmoonfires, got 2 instant starsurge procs and crit both.  He's sitting at 21.98% crit in his current gear.  The odds of him critting all 4 spells = 0.2%.

What does this mean?  It means he had to have his warrior partner put down skull banner to get up to 47% crit for this sequence to even be possible.  The odds of him critting all 4 spells with skull banner = 5%



You shitters need to stop crying and L2P, you saw warrior pop CDs and druid go big chicken without using Defensive Cds.  You are lucky he didn't pop starfall or would have had 500k dps in those 3 globals.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:45 PM

View PostBraindance, on 20 January 2013 - 03:18 AM, said:

Right now NO class can get 150k crits like this guy did - let alone instant ones rofl.

That is not true.  Check out Tosan's latest pvp video and you will see power shots around 180k.  I took a 210k dragon roar from a fury warrior last night in 3s.  If I really wanted to bother I'm sure I could come up with more examples.

The problem is LOW crit chance classes stacking with skull banner.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:51 PM

View PostHackattack3, on 20 January 2013 - 11:42 PM, said:

In that log, the druid got EXTREMELY lucky.  

I don't think so...Rooft does this almost every game.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:51 PM

View PostFilthpig, on 20 January 2013 - 04:32 AM, said:

I love how people are acting like it was our fault for this happening to me. Boomkin vortex beamed me as soon as the match started, popped CD's and used two starsurge proc's on me. They were both instant, not like we're going to let the boomkin cast right in my face. I only had time to pop my sac pact as you can see once I got out of the beam.

Even if those crits were on the low end, that damage is absurd and cannot go ignored.

If it was beginning of the match then you clearly still have trinket up.  I'm pretty sure you still have blanket silence with your pet if the boomer is running in.  He had dots ticking like crazy during the 3 globals he used so he must have had time to dot up your partners + pet.  

You didn't see skull banner + big chicken?  You are lucky he didn't use starfall, could have been worse.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:54 PM

View PostConradical, on 20 January 2013 - 11:51 PM, said:

I don't think so...Rooft does this almost every game.

Look at the numbers, he does it b/c skull banner.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:02 AM

View PostHackattack3, on 20 January 2013 - 11:54 PM, said:

Look at the numbers, he does it b/c skull banner.

Yeah it's not a problem with moonkings at all :rolleyes:

One ability from another class shouldn't turn yours into an insane instant casting death machine.  Look at how the stars had to align for Warriors to get a 5 stack and crit for 200k+, yet it was still a problem even though the chances of it happening were low.

Just because it's rare that you might hit somebody for more than half of their health with an instant cast doesn't make it balanced.  It wasn't balanced for Warriors and it isn't balanced for moonkins either.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:15 AM

View PostHackattack3, on 20 January 2013 - 11:51 PM, said:

You didn't see skull banner + big chicken?  You are lucky he didn't use starfall, could have been worse.
Well uh, nerf boomkin then?

I don't see how you think that is a defense of this, like really.

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#49 Filthpig

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:20 AM

View PostHackattack3, on 20 January 2013 - 11:42 PM, said:

You are the idiot that thinks dots tick for 40k.  If you actually look at the combat log, he's getting 15k dot ticks.  You need to read the difference between "damaged by" which is the dot portion and "hit by" which is the instant cast spam.  


In that combat log, he spammed 2 instant moonfires that both crit for 35k and 40k respectively.  He also popped every CD under the sun to crit 150k, big chicken + NV + trinket.

In that log, the druid got EXTREMELY lucky.  Let's look at some basic math:


He crit 2xmoonfires, got 2 instant starsurge procs and crit both.  He's sitting at 21.98% crit in his current gear.  The odds of him critting all 4 spells = 0.2%.

What does this mean?  It means he had to have his warrior partner put down skull banner to get up to 47% crit for this sequence to even be possible.  The odds of him critting all 4 spells with skull banner = 5%



You shitters need to stop crying and L2P, you saw warrior pop CDs and druid go big chicken without using Defensive Cds.  You are lucky he didn't pop starfall or would have had 500k dps in those 3 globals.

Hey, before you get on forums and try to insult people you should get your facts straight.

1. You state that I should have popped defensive cooldowns to stay alive. It it clear from the combat log that I popped sacrificial pact by the 100k absorb on the first starsurge. I was vortex beamed prior to that and demonic leaped out of it when I cleared the first grip back. I was at 40% so my first instinct is to pop the cooldown that is most likely going to save me at that instant. I mean sure, I could've popped wall and both healing cooldowns, but the starsurges would've still crit me for 120k a piece and the hots would've been irrelevant.

2. You try and use some flawed math and logic to explain the "impossibly low" chances of this happening, and that the warrior popped skull banner in order to achieve this. Maybe you should look at the combat log again and notice that I had a warlock's pet hitting me, which means I had lock dots up. You will also notice that there was a stormlash totem down. I guess the LSD had a warrior on their team popping skull banner?

3. The warrior was on my team.  

I realize you don't think this should be nerfed, but you're not on the receiving end of this. There was literally nothing I could do (other than not play WLD for funsies) to stop that death from happening.

Edit: I did pop both healing cooldowns.
Edit #2: Skull banner increases the damage of crits, not crit chance. We idiot's really should l2p.

Edited by Filthpig, 21 January 2013 - 12:32 AM.


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Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:28 AM

Also just fyi, Skull Banner does not increase critical strike chance but rather critical strike damage.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:45 AM

Moonkin is pretty redic, It goes unnoticed because everyone is busy playing Feral or rerolled a warrior this season.

Problem is blizzard puts these heavy RNG procs in the game that are super significant. Like shooting stars (makes starsurge instant)

But lets think about this proc. IIRC it's a 30% chance on Both moonfire and Sunfire Crits (dot component) With Celestial alignment up which is a CD that's used with all their others.
One moonfire applies both SO that's 2 dots per target. In 3s that's 2 dots for each player =6 dots total. not including possible pet classes.
Chances of this proc happening go up drastically
Basically the more targets there are the better chances you have of spamming instant starsurges. Not really a luck thing and it has some consistancy to it.

Not saying it's fair but I've honestly just accepted the game for the way it is and try to play better than the other team instead of praying blizzard is going to nerf stuff.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 01:19 AM

Moonkins flying past the Nerfradar.

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Edited by Pinka, 21 January 2013 - 01:19 AM.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 01:33 AM

View PostHackattack3, on 20 January 2013 - 11:42 PM, said:

You are the idiot that thinks dots tick for 40k.  If you actually look at the combat log, he's getting 15k dot ticks.  You need to read the difference between "damaged by" which is the dot portion and "hit by" which is the instant cast spam.  


In that combat log, he spammed 2 instant moonfires that both crit for 35k and 40k respectively.  He also popped every CD under the sun to crit 150k, big chicken + NV + trinket.

In that log, the druid got EXTREMELY lucky.  Let's look at some basic math:


He crit 2xmoonfires, got 2 instant starsurge procs and crit both.  He's sitting at 21.98% crit in his current gear.  The odds of him critting all 4 spells = 0.2%.

What does this mean?  It means he had to have his warrior partner put down skull banner to get up to 47% crit for this sequence to even be possible.  The odds of him critting all 4 spells with skull banner = 5%



You shitters need to stop crying and L2P, you saw warrior pop CDs and druid go big chicken without using Defensive Cds.  You are lucky he didn't pop starfall or would have had 500k dps in those 3 globals.

How are people this disconnected from reality? No one can ever acknowledge that their class is too strong. 150k instants is ridiculous  regardless of how low the chance of that is, or what could have been done to stop it. If there was an ability that had a 5 seconds cast time and hit for 500k or a .1% proc that hit for 500k, they would be fucking stupid.

Edited by Radejjj, 21 January 2013 - 01:46 AM.


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Posted 21 January 2013 - 01:53 AM

rooftrellen is just a god

the real question is how does kfc ever lose anyways...

boomkins are really op man they just raping these ladders

Edited by hearthadinlol, 21 January 2013 - 01:59 AM.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:10 AM

View Posthearthadinlol, on 21 January 2013 - 01:53 AM, said:

rooftrellen is just a god

the real question is how does kfc ever lose anyways...

boomkins are really op man they just raping these ladders

OUT OF LEFT FIELD!

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:12 AM

http://us.battle.net...killeth saveth/

why can you even fucking make threads/?????????
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:47 AM

View Posthearthadinlol, on 21 January 2013 - 02:12 AM, said:

http://us.battle.net...killeth saveth/

why can you even fucking make threads/?????????

To be honest I can ask you the same question. Fortunately for you I'm not an abrasive person and it's irrelevant so I won't. It's obvious you didn't read any of the thread because the very first post reveals that I was playing WLD. I play with the warrior and druid/shaman because they have been my friends/partners for over 5 years and I enjoy their company. We obviously aren't taking these games seriously, but If you want to scrutinize me for having fun with my friends then go right ahead. ^_^

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 04:01 AM

View PostFilthpig, on 21 January 2013 - 12:20 AM, said:


3. The warrior was on my team.  

I realize you don't think this should be nerfed, but you're not on the receiving end of this. There was literally nothing I could do (other than not play WLD for funsies) to stop that death from happening.

Edit: I did pop both healing cooldowns.
Edit #2: Skull banner increases the damage of crits, not crit chance. We idiot's really should l2p.

I want to apologize, I was absolutely wrong about skull banner.  I have no idea why I have thought its 20% crit chance instead of crit damage all season.  I basically need to l2read.

The reason that I assumed he was playing boomer/war/rsham was from his 3s armory:
http://us.battle.net... for the sluts/

PS If you want to get back at him for the big crits, report his 3s name :D


On topic,

My original math is still valid, and its definitely rare to get back to back starsurge procs AND crits.  I can do the math for you but I don't think you'd believe me.  Do I think that 150k crits are high?  With the amount of instant cc in this game definitely.  Do I think Balance druids are unique and the only ones hitting this hard?  Hell no.  

I would love people's input about how hard their class can crit, top end with all CDs popped/stacked.  I've seen 180k power shots from hunters and +200k dragon roar from fury warriors.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 04:03 AM

View PostFilthpig, on 21 January 2013 - 12:20 AM, said:

I realize you don't think this should be nerfed, but you're not on the receiving end of this.

I play resto so I'm not defending balance burst for pure self interest.  I am on the receiving end of this from warriors, ferals, mages, hunters, etc.




Edit:  The most impressive thing about that druid is achievement points, holy shit 19,530.  I'm also very jealous of his pet battle pets.

Edited by Hackattack3, 21 January 2013 - 04:05 AM.


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Posted 21 January 2013 - 04:24 AM

View PostFilthpig, on 21 January 2013 - 02:47 AM, said:

To be honest I can ask you the same question. Fortunately for you I'm not an abrasive person and it's irrelevant so I won't. It's obvious you didn't read any of the thread because the very first post reveals that I was playing WLD. I play with the warrior and druid/shaman because they have been my friends/partners for over 5 years and I enjoy their company. We obviously aren't taking these games seriously, but If you want to scrutinize me for having fun with my friends then go right ahead. ^_^

omg shut the fk up

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View Postjaimex, on 06 September 2014 - 09:36 AM, said:

temporal shield combined with ironbark ward is more healing than a shaman ns from 10% hp





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