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#21 Galaleo

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 05:13 PM

View Postwodeta, on 15 January 2013 - 01:04 PM, said:

Works through LOS seriously?????????

We dont need a mechanic like that in the game, cmon blizzard!

Rogues Cata Allover again =(






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#22 WildeHilde

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 05:20 PM

View Postmethodman2, on 17 January 2013 - 05:09 PM, said:

the rogues who have rocked para/fuge all this season will be good players in 5.2

cant say the same for the generics xD

Yes, Subterfuge/Elusiveness/Step/Paralytic/Toss is so much fun. Might not be as strong as some other options, but the playstyle feels great already. With 5.2 however...

#23 methodman2

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 05:25 PM

View PostWildeHilde, on 17 January 2013 - 05:20 PM, said:

Yes, Subterfuge/Elusiveness/Step/Paralytic/Toss is so much fun. Might not be as strong as some other options, but the playstyle feels great already. With 5.2 however...

yeah, might be too much esp going healers with nerve strike stacking

#24 WildeHilde

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 05:35 PM

10% are ok in my opinion. It comes at a cost and the other options are strong as well. I like Nerve Strike (use it currently over CR), but Deadly Throw looks even more fun.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 06:21 PM

View PostGalaleo, on 17 January 2013 - 05:13 PM, said:

Shamans are NOT permitted to complain about rogues cata TYVM

Says the warlock and i played my disc priest most part of cata.
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#26 dionim

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 06:33 PM

probably a bug, ShS has the same tootilp "Step through the shadows and appear behind a target.  Movement speed is increased by 70% for 2 sec afterwards." says nothing about LoS

#27 Fenomeno

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 11:11 AM

stupid changes this talent is way too strong.The 150 energy+ preperation are enough dunno why blizzard always wants to make a class so strong but w/e. I would rather not have this as a talent tbh.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 02:26 PM

View PostFenomeno, on 18 January 2013 - 11:11 AM, said:

stupid changes this talent is way too strong.The 150 energy+ preperation are enough dunno why blizzard always wants to make a class so strong but w/e. I would rather not have this as a talent tbh.
It's already 130 energy, just for the record.

Without this los issue CaD would be comparable to ShS, because of Shs ability to use it on friendly target.
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#29 dionim

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 03:14 PM

ShS will be waaaaaaay better imo, shs does exactly the same thing (shs then cheapshot) you will use more in a normal arena game, can be use on friendly targets, and increase your speed a little, also its not bound to another cd, what if i want to get close but not vanish or dance?

Edited by dionim, 19 January 2013 - 02:43 AM.


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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:49 PM

View Postdionim, on 18 January 2013 - 03:14 PM, said:

ShS will be waaaaaaay better imo, shs does exactly the same thing (shs then cheapshot) you will use more in a normal arena game, can be use on friendly targets, and increase your speed a little, also its not bound to another cd, what if i want to get close but not vanish or dance?

of course all this through los thing

ShS has been dog shit since they removed it being able to get out of snares.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 06:30 PM

View PostOhhiimMvp, on 18 January 2013 - 05:49 PM, said:

ShS has been dog shit since they removed it being able to get out of snares.
ya its horrible

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 07:10 PM

Am I understanding this wrong, or are the only advantages C&D has over Shs + opener:

1. during dance with sub spec, cc someone far away then re-open on target
2. when specced into subterfuge, open on multiple people

at the cost of tons of utility Shs provies outside of cloak, Shs+Sap a blinded target, and being able to target allies.

Am I missed situations where C&D would be preferable over Shs?

Edited by Alemecia, 18 January 2013 - 07:13 PM.


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Posted 19 January 2013 - 01:43 AM

View PostKnox556, on 16 January 2013 - 06:39 PM, said:

Can you say shadow dance - killing spree?

This is the single most retarded ability I have ever seen blizz come up with.

Honestly just nerf warriors, and prep baseline and they'll be 100% fine, don't add this garbage to the game...
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#34 Kifasa

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 07:33 AM

View PostAlemecia, on 18 January 2013 - 07:10 PM, said:

Am I understanding this wrong, or are the only advantages C&D has over Shs + opener:

1. during dance with sub spec, cc someone far away then re-open on target
2. when specced into subterfuge, open on multiple people

at the cost of tons of utility Shs provies outside of cloak, Shs+Sap a blinded target, and being able to target allies.

Am I missed situations where C&D would be preferable over Shs?
I would stress more the opener part. No flair/magma totem/etc. risk! Not to mention how many times when I step target who was riding on mount I was unable to cheap shot right away (micro lag) which destroyed the opener.
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 03:35 PM

View PostAlemecia, on 18 January 2013 - 07:10 PM, said:

Am I understanding this wrong, or are the only advantages C&D has over Shs + opener:

1. during dance with sub spec, cc someone far away then re-open on target
2. when specced into subterfuge, open on multiple people

at the cost of tons of utility Shs provies outside of cloak, Shs+Sap a blinded target, and being able to target allies.

Am I missed situations where C&D would be preferable over Shs?

It's a tough choice but this is what blizzard wanted, there is no best choice between the two, both are completely viable and it depends on your comp and playstyle.

Combined with subterfuge CnD offers some crazy cc potential, I can see it working well in comps like RMP.  ShS will still be good there's just another viable choice on that tier now.

I wonder if they will do anything with BoS though, compared to the others even with its recent buffs it still feels quite lackluster.

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#36 dionim

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 03:46 PM

BoS its probably best for pve, i dont think they will change it

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 03:53 PM

View Postdionim, on 19 January 2013 - 03:46 PM, said:

BoS its probably best for pve, i dont think they will change it

ShS still king for PvE

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 03:58 PM

View PostAlemecia, on 18 January 2013 - 07:10 PM, said:

Am I understanding this wrong, or are the only advantages C&D has over Shs + opener:

1. during dance with sub spec, cc someone far away then re-open on target
2. when specced into subterfuge, open on multiple people

at the cost of tons of utility Shs provies outside of cloak, Shs+Sap a blinded target, and being able to target allies.

Am I missed situations where C&D would be preferable over Shs?

C&D gives almost 100% uptime on your target during shadow dance.
Was watching Rzn's stream on the ptr: shadow dance on the mage: nova and moves away, np garrote, blink away np ambush, pet nova np garrote.

Or dance opener on a lock, he miss-managed hes lock down and the lock got to port... jk he followed right after because he was spaming garrote at the time. Even rzn was a bit like "wtf happened" when he found himself on the other side of the arena, out of los.

The "thing" is that it didn't require any thought or real player input. 100% uptime by spaming your normal dmg rotation. I find it disgusting tbh. They should give the port a cd or some charges. Like 2 charges every 30 seconds or 3 every minute. Being able to zoom around the map regardless of roots or los during you major dmg cooldowns seems a bit op if you ask me.




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