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#1 djp771133

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 02:04 PM

So after all the nerfs warriors have gotten, how do you think they stack up vs other classes in 5.2?  So far there has been gag order nerf, avatar nerf, tfb nerf, defensive stance nerf, fear nerf, shockwave nerf, do you think warriors will still be top tier next patch/season?

We still obviously do great damage with 2/2 upgraded t2, and still have good cc, because most others have gotten cc nerfs as well.  Still think kfc will be a top comp etc?  Id like to see what you guys think, and if warriors will be good/mediocre/dogshit next patch

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 03:22 PM

View Postdjp771133, on 10 January 2013 - 02:04 PM, said:

So after all the nerfs warriors have gotten, how do you think they stack up vs other classes in 5.2?  So far there has been gag order nerf, avatar nerf, tfb nerf, defensive stance nerf, fear nerf, shockwave nerf, do you think warriors will still be top tier next patch/season?

We still obviously do great damage with 2/2 upgraded t2, and still have good cc, because most others have gotten cc nerfs as well.  Still think kfc will be a top comp etc?  Id like to see what you guys think, and if warriors will be good/mediocre/dogshit next patch

With all the amazingly skilled warriors out there even if warriors become mediocre their divine game awereness, great decision making and well..just the amount of pure skill and awesomeness they will probably keep smashing up dem ladders. I for one have been enjoying the game now that the skill cap is higher than ever and all the bad players are off the ladders while all the best players run setups based on pure skill and coordination.

Edited by CrossBlesserx, 10 January 2013 - 03:23 PM.


#3 djp771133

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 03:26 PM

View PostCrossBlesserx, on 10 January 2013 - 03:22 PM, said:

With all the amazingly skilled warriors out there even if warriors become mediocre their divine game awereness, great decision making and well..just the amount of pure skill and awesomeness they will probably keep smashing up dem ladders. I for one have been enjoying the game now that the skill cap is higher than ever and all the bad players are off the ladders while all the best players run setups based on pure skill and coordination.

This game takes more skill then ever before, you are totally right.

Edited by djp771133, 10 January 2013 - 03:26 PM.


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Posted 10 January 2013 - 03:30 PM

View PostCrossBlesserx, on 10 January 2013 - 03:22 PM, said:

With all the amazingly skilled warriors out there even if warriors become mediocre their divine game awereness, great decision making and well..just the amount of pure skill and awesomeness they will probably keep smashing up dem ladders. I for one have been enjoying the game now that the skill cap is higher than ever and all the bad players are off the ladders while all the best players run setups based on pure skill and coordination.
Warriors are a str8forward class yes. Beyond that, all this mumbo-jumbo bullshit you say is meaningless skill cap and whatnot - there is no "skill cap" in a game with 1.5 sec gcd. Hitting mass dispels and shit doesn't take more effort than landing 1 reflect.

Warriors will be just fine+we will have a healing tier option now and we can pick any skill in the healing tier apart from second wind - all of them seem viable with impending victory looking better.

View PostZerstiren, on 14 August 2011 - 01:21 AM, said:

If you haven't +repped this guy, you are part of the problem.

View PostRenaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

View Postsimonfra1234, on 25 August 2011 - 08:46 PM, said:

bro you got +rep'd by rapture...

#5 djp771133

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 04:08 PM

View PostBraindance, on 10 January 2013 - 03:30 PM, said:

Warriors are a str8forward class yes. Beyond that, all this mumbo-jumbo bullshit you say is meaningless skill cap and whatnot - there is no "skill cap" in a game with 1.5 sec gcd. Hitting mass dispels and shit doesn't take more effort than landing 1 reflect.

Warriors will be just fine+we will have a healing tier option now and we can pick any skill in the healing tier apart from second wind - all of them seem viable with impending victory looking better.

did you see that sw nerf got reverted?  Although both the others got buffed, so you think still that all will be viable, or if we will still see lots of SW

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 04:09 PM

I feel like these are pretty good changes.  Right now Warriors can make so many mistakes, get so aggressive and over extend so much because they have such great defensive abilities.  The way they are now really does allow people that aren't very good at Warrior to succeed where in seasons past they would have failed miserably.

I would really hate to see Warriors get nerfed to Cata levels of uselessness, but I feel like right now they could afford to take a few good nerfs and still be a very competitive class.  Hopefully reducing some of their defensive ability will prevent some of this "I can chase anything anywhere and I'll be okay" mentality.  Even if you drag some tunnel vision hero behind a pillar they are usually just fine because of their amazing passive mitigation and strong active mitigation.

I guess to answer the OP though, I won't shy away from playing my Warrior next season.  I think they will still be very strong, but the play style might change a little if they know they can get gibbed same as anyone else.

Edited by Nightmonkey, 10 January 2013 - 04:10 PM.


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Posted 10 January 2013 - 04:45 PM

View PostBraindance, on 10 January 2013 - 03:30 PM, said:

Warriors are a str8forward class yes. Beyond that, all this mumbo-jumbo bullshit you say is meaningless skill cap and whatnot - there is no "skill cap" in a game with 1.5 sec gcd. Hitting mass dispels and shit doesn't take more effort than landing 1 reflect.

Warriors will be just fine+we will have a healing tier option now and we can pick any skill in the healing tier apart from second wind - all of them seem viable with impending victory looking better.

Skill in a video game isn't always APM related.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 04:46 PM

View Postdjp771133, on 10 January 2013 - 04:08 PM, said:

did you see that sw nerf got reverted?  Although both the others got buffed, so you think still that all will be viable, or if we will still see lots of SW
This is not an easy question to answer - the other two are on demand sw is not. Impending victory with it's short cd can be a very effective heal if used frequently + it can reserve  your healers mana + keep your hp up if your teamm8 is getting bashed and you are at low hp making your healer more effective. It also does some damage. Cons is that it requires melee range and something to hit, something not always feasible when you are low hp.

Enraged regen is versatile and can be used while stunned + no rage cost if enraged. Downside is the relative big cd compared to IV.

Second wind will still be a very good all-around choice but with the major disadvantage that it's not on demand. Regen and victory can also be used offensively to stay in LoS of your healer for some time, wind cannot.

Ofc there are many changes to come but I will for sure try all of them

View PostZerstiren, on 14 August 2011 - 01:21 AM, said:

If you haven't +repped this guy, you are part of the problem.

View PostRenaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

View Postsimonfra1234, on 25 August 2011 - 08:46 PM, said:

bro you got +rep'd by rapture...

#9 Braindance

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 04:47 PM

View PostCanadianpimp_613638, on 10 January 2013 - 04:45 PM, said:

Skill in a video game isn't always APM related.
It's not the apm, its the time you have to think and 1.5 secs is huge compared to games without such restrictions (fighting games, fps, LoL, DotA etc).

View PostZerstiren, on 14 August 2011 - 01:21 AM, said:

If you haven't +repped this guy, you are part of the problem.

View PostRenaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

View Postsimonfra1234, on 25 August 2011 - 08:46 PM, said:

bro you got +rep'd by rapture...

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 06:49 PM

View PostBraindance, on 10 January 2013 - 04:46 PM, said:

This is not an easy question to answer - the other two are on demand sw is not. Impending victory with it's short cd can be a very effective heal if used frequently + it can reserve  your healers mana + keep your hp up if your teamm8 is getting bashed and you are at low hp making your healer more effective. It also does some damage. Cons is that it requires melee range and something to hit, something not always feasible when you are low hp.

Enraged regen is versatile and can be used while stunned + no rage cost if enraged. Downside is the relative big cd compared to IV.

Second wind will still be a very good all-around choice but with the major disadvantage that it's not on demand. Regen and victory can also be used offensively to stay in LoS of your healer for some time, wind cannot.

Ofc there are many changes to come but I will for sure try all of them

Don't forget Second Winds rage regen when snared/rooted
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 06:59 PM

View PostCovlol, on 10 January 2013 - 06:49 PM, said:

Don't forget Second Winds rage regen when snared/rooted
y this is very important 2 i forgot about it

View PostZerstiren, on 14 August 2011 - 01:21 AM, said:

If you haven't +repped this guy, you are part of the problem.

View PostRenaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

View Postsimonfra1234, on 25 August 2011 - 08:46 PM, said:

bro you got +rep'd by rapture...

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 07:53 PM

Well, according to Veev, warriors will be nearly unplayable...

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 08:12 PM

View PostRegent, on 10 January 2013 - 07:53 PM, said:

Well, according to Veev, warriors will be nearly unplayable...
I love veev cause he is a cool guy and very good player but he always exaggerates after every nerf^^

View PostZerstiren, on 14 August 2011 - 01:21 AM, said:

If you haven't +repped this guy, you are part of the problem.

View PostRenaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

View Postsimonfra1234, on 25 August 2011 - 08:46 PM, said:

bro you got +rep'd by rapture...

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 08:18 PM

Definitely still viable, should be a lot more interesting to play.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 08:22 PM

Also, a side note, is that I tried to glyph of blitz (makes charge stun 2 more nearby targets) with warbringer, and it seems to work, and do warbringer effect on all 3 (3 second stun).  As opposed to on live, the glyph of blitz doesn't work at all with warbringer, and is a waste of a glyph.

Anybody else notice this too?

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 09:23 PM

View PostBraindance, on 10 January 2013 - 08:12 PM, said:

I love veev cause he is a cool guy and very good player but he always exaggerates after every nerf^^

MoP According to Veev:

5.0 - Warriors are decent

5.1 - Warriors are going to suck

5.2 - Warriors are unplayable

He is by far my favorite streamer, but I still laugh every time he makes predictions about warriors "in the next patch".

Edited by Regent, 10 January 2013 - 09:23 PM.


#17 Braindance

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 10:28 PM

View PostRegent, on 10 January 2013 - 09:23 PM, said:

MoP According to Veev:

5.0 - Warriors are decent

5.1 - Warriors are going to suck

5.2 - Warriors are unplayable

He is by far my favorite streamer, but I still laugh every time he makes predictions about warriors "in the next patch".
If you want predictions check mine - never been wrong since s2

View PostZerstiren, on 14 August 2011 - 01:21 AM, said:

If you haven't +repped this guy, you are part of the problem.

View PostRenaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

View Postsimonfra1234, on 25 August 2011 - 08:46 PM, said:

bro you got +rep'd by rapture...

#18 Nightmonkey

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 01:14 AM

I think Second wind is still way better than the other two.  Second wind has always been a staple warrior talent, I don't really see that changing unless they modify the mechanics of it or just make the other two talents really stupid good.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:34 AM

View Postdjp771133, on 10 January 2013 - 08:22 PM, said:

Also, a side note, is that I tried to glyph of blitz (makes charge stun 2 more nearby targets) with warbringer, and it seems to work, and do warbringer effect on all 3 (3 second stun).  As opposed to on live, the glyph of blitz doesn't work at all with warbringer, and is a waste of a glyph.

Anybody else notice this too?
.

I have as well, this is gonna be stupid good.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 05:41 PM

View Postdjp771133, on 10 January 2013 - 08:22 PM, said:

Also, a side note, is that I tried to glyph of blitz (makes charge stun 2 more nearby targets) with warbringer, and it seems to work, and do warbringer effect on all 3 (3 second stun).  As opposed to on live, the glyph of blitz doesn't work at all with warbringer, and is a waste of a glyph.

Anybody else notice this too?

Lol if this goes on live, supposing i charge 3 people, they're getting the 3sec stun and i can make a "safe" shockwave on them (i mean safe because it'll have only 20sec cd :P)

Might be retarded (7sec aoe stun yeye)




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