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#1 rtcinema

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 01:49 PM

So, is it worth buying the staff now if for no other reason than saving 1500 points for upgrading?

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#2 Draakex

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 01:53 PM

the stats you gain from upgrading the offhand are so minor i wouldn't even mind upgrading it, before i don't need the points to upgrade other items...
i'd stick with mh/oh though

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#3 Gekz

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 09:27 PM

For shadow or what? I'd go staff for disc, MH/OH for shadow probably.

#4 rtcinema

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 04:53 AM

It would be for shadow, or both if they ever make disc viable between now and next seasons weapon.  I know MH/OH is better overall, but it seems like if people aren't wasting points upgrading the OH, that the staff upgraded could potentially be better.  And less points on a character already massively behind.

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#5 Zione

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:12 PM

Why are you treating the subject like it's impossible to just look up the difference? I did it for you.
If you go for upgraded staff instead of upgraded MH and non-upgraded OH you gain:
102 stamina, 45 secondary stat and 45 resilience.
You lose:
98 intellect and 5 spellpower.

Conclusion: MH+OH is better for shadow, even if you never upgrade OH. If you're disc you might consider staff since there's no MH with spirit, but I'll leave you to check those numbers.

#6 dionim

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 04:58 PM

View Postrtcinema, on 09 January 2013 - 04:53 AM, said:

It would be for shadow, or both if they ever make disc viable between now and next seasons weapon.  I know MH/OH is better overall, but it seems like if people aren't wasting points upgrading the OH, that the staff upgraded could potentially be better.  And less points on a character already massively behind.

For disc is staff no doubt
the class is already having mana problems, and even our best mana source is based in spirit now (rapture) you cant lose the spirit from your weapon

#7 rtcinema

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 01:51 PM

View PostZione, on 10 January 2013 - 01:12 PM, said:

Why are you treating the subject like it's impossible to just look up the difference? I did it for you.
If you go for upgraded staff instead of upgraded MH and non-upgraded OH you gain:
102 stamina, 45 secondary stat and 45 resilience.
You lose:
98 intellect and 5 spellpower.

Conclusion: MH+OH is better for shadow, even if you never upgrade OH. If you're disc you might consider staff since there's no MH with spirit, but I'll leave you to check those numbers.

I knew the numbers differences, I just wasn't sure if more defensive stats were better than offensive now.  I haven't played in almost 2 years and am trying to get a feel for the current state of play.  From the sounds of it though if I want to go back disc at any point in time I'd be better off getting the staff.

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#8 instinctzor

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 05:25 PM

Mh / oh because its faceroll

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 08:24 PM

View Postinstinctzor, on 11 January 2013 - 05:25 PM, said:

Mh / oh because its faceroll
so true

#10 Noname

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 02:12 PM

The difference is just so small it barely matters. I'd go with staff. Its stats vs int is almost better even as SP.
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#11 Mogias

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 10:41 PM

Sorry for bumping this thread, but im going shadow on my priest but still like to play disc ones in a while (was disc last season so got some upgraded pieces). So my question is would it be a disaster to actually buy the spirit staff and just reforge for shadow?

#12 Wallirik

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 10:53 PM

1h + oh:                                                  staff:                          diff:

1173 int --------------------------------------- 1190 int ----------------------- +17
782 crit --------------------------------------- 793 crit ------------------------- +11
680 resi --------------------------------------- 793 resi ------------------------ +113
5910 pvp power ----------------------------- 5912 pvp power -------------- +2
6810 spell power ---------------------------- 6813 spell power ------------- +3

so basically you lose the off-hand enchant (165 int) and gain above stats.
so it's not a disaster no.
those stats are for t1 s13 1h/oh and crit staff, might be different now that they buffed t1 weps? did those numbers before this reset.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 11:01 PM

View PostWallirik, on 20 March 2013 - 10:53 PM, said:

1h + oh:   staff:   diff:

1173 int --------------------------------------- 1190 int ----------------------- +17
782 crit --------------------------------------- 793 crit ------------------------- +11
680 resi --------------------------------------- 793 resi ------------------------ +113
5910 pvp power ----------------------------- 5912 pvp power -------------- +2
6810 spell power ---------------------------- 6813 spell power ------------- +3

so basically you lose the off-hand enchant (165 int) and gain above stats.
so it's not a disaster no.
those stats are for t1 s13 1h/oh and crit staff, might be different now that they buffed t1 weps? did those numbers before this reset.

They did not buff 1hands, they splited the PVP power from mainhand to offhand. so its the same

#14 Wallirik

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 11:27 PM

View PostZerlog, on 20 March 2013 - 11:01 PM, said:

They did not buff 1hands, they splited the PVP power from mainhand to offhand. so its the same

Official Blizzard Quote:

Season 13 Tyrannical weapons had their item levels increased to ilevel 498, up from ilevel 493, to match Season 12 Elite weapons.

vendor still has 493 ilvl, so dno when this is gonna be in effect.

Edited by Wallirik, 20 March 2013 - 11:39 PM.


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 11:38 PM

View PostWallirik, on 20 March 2013 - 11:27 PM, said:

Official Blizzard Quote:

http://us.battle.net...693']Season[/url] 13 Tyrannical weapons had their item levels increased to ilevel 498, up from ilevel 493, to match Season 12 Elite weapons.

vendor still has 493 ilvl, so dno when this is gonna be in effect.


Thats obvious, but since its a % uppgrade, it will remain the same in % of whats better, i thought he meant a invidual buff as he only mentioned 1hands

#16 Wallirik

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 11:42 PM

View PostZerlog, on 20 March 2013 - 11:38 PM, said:

Thats obvious, but since its a % uppgrade, it will remain the same in % of whats better, i thought he meant a invidual buff as he only mentioned 1hands

Yeah obviously it doesn't change if 1h/oh is better than staff, i just mentioned the t1 buff so some guy wouldn't call me out on wrong numbers.

#17 Fatbelly

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 11:43 PM

mh/oh > staff for the totem stabbing time reduction.
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Posted 20 March 2013 - 11:47 PM

jk totems 20k hp + resi :(

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 05:43 AM

mh/oh is better for shadow but staff is better for looks

so I'm buying one
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 05:53 AM

View PostKelberot, on 21 March 2013 - 05:43 AM, said:

mh/oh is better for shadow but staff is better for looks

so I'm buying one
People don't realize looking cool is 10% damage.




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