hairpiece, on 05 January 2013 - 07:12 AM, said:
plenty of other people besides mages called your arguments flawed and ridiculous. Trolling does not elicit the same results if your argument actually makes sense. People do not take trolls seriously, just as we don't take your arguments seriously even more so after trying to troll.
Yeah, people that play with Mages or have alts that are Mages. My argument makes perfect sense - Nerf Mages. Even with these changes, Mages will still be strong in arena. You heard it here first.
Dizzeeyo, on 05 January 2013 - 10:43 AM, said:
How is it not reasonable? It's my opinion, and I'm confident if someone were to go back and go through representation statistics, most of what I said would hold true. You simply do not like it because you play a Mage, so you tell me I'm being unreasonable because I said Mages should get nerfed right along with Warlocks.
I'll say it again, Mages and Warlocks have always been among the strongest classes - and at the very minimum at least viable. Having a blanket silence on top of an interrupt is an absolutely retarded mechanic. The ability should be an interrupt or silence, not both. That's why it finally got nerfed.
Your complaint here should be that they gave you the interrupt part instead of the silence part, and you feel like you got the short end of the stick. The bottom line is that your class will be perfectly fine without the silence if the change goes through. As far as Warlocks go, Demo won't even notice this change, and the other specs just get even worse.
Talbadar, on 04 January 2013 - 07:56 PM, said:
Not sure what game people have been playing when they confidently say things like this. There's a difference between being a viable class and being a top class. Warlocks, if any class, have always been viable. They have had their moments of being really strong, but it was always something different that was making them so strong. SL/SL, Chaos Bolt/Conflag, and Demo double Chaos wave were some of their stronger times. Frost Mages have been viable for most seasons. Yeah, they do high burst and have good survivability, but that doesn't mean they need to be nerfed. Frost has always been able to be dealt with. There have definitely been times where I die to one where I'm really frustrated because he Ice Lanced me for "X" number 3 times and I died, but every single class has annoying things like that (doesn't mean any of it needs to be changed). Case and point: Mages are not out of line. Improved Counterspell had to be dealt with, yes, but not with the removal of it. Reduce the duration of Imp CS to 3 seconds, and increase the cooldown of Counterspell to 24 seconds. Spell Lock was fine.
This is really ugly to even reply to. First of all, I don't agree with the first statement. There has been so many different control abilities added to MoP that Mages previous dominance in CC is being challenged. Druids, Mages, Priests, Paladins, Warriors, and Warlocks all bring plenty of control. I couldn't tell you which one is the strongest. Strongest damage? I mean, with Nether Tempest, their damage is consistently pretty high - sure, but I'm much more scared of other classes' damage.
It seems you're trying to say that deep-->blanket is unfair and shouldn't be possible. Yet again, where is the comparison to how other classes do things? How is Deep/blanket (both magical, mind you) any different from Warbringer-->Shockwave, Beam-->Vortex, Psychic Horror-->Silence, Garrote-->Kidney, Intimidation Stun-->Silencing Shot, Strangulate-->Gnaw Stun?
So basically what you're doing here is pointing a finger at Warlocks saying "mages might have always been viable but warlocks are the real offenders." The thing is that I agree with you to an extent, but I think you're downplaying just how good Mages have been in pretty much every season so far.
But that's your whole "case and point?" Saying that another class has consistently been just as strong or stronger isn't a very solid case for saying Mages don't need nerfed.
Also the thing that makes deep --> blanket so strong isn't because it's just a simple stun and silence. You're right in saying that plenty of classes have similar CC. However have you forgotten that while you are in deep freeze you basically take double damage from the Mage? To my knowledge they are the only class that has a stun which also makes every spell crit, even those pesky ice lances you mentioned.
If deep freeze had a damage threshold like nova does, or simply stunned without considering the target frozen, I feel like then it would be in line with other class' abilities. I think it's also worth pointing out that a lot of the other examples you posted are also things people constantly cry about. Warbringer shockwave should really stick out to the Mages in here.
Edited by Nightmonkey, 05 January 2013 - 05:06 PM.