averagepriestz, on 28 December 2012 - 05:52 PM, said:
They do ban and close accounts. Quite a lot each day, but a lot of them get the bans lifted by calling them and claiming they had no idea. They grind them for using all kinds of profiles. Levelling, grinding, and as you mentioned, materials.
Also, it is not ridiculously easy for them to kill of HB, otherwise you don't think they would have done it, instead of waiting years for a lawsuit to end? They can't track who is using it with Warden, that is the problem.
It IS easy for them to fix the currently used method. They simply have to make Warden scan a few more things, and Warden can update its base without a client patch. A new method will be found relatively quick, yes, but after 1-2 banwaves, the userbase of HB will drop drastically. It would also help if they actually perma banned people for repeated use of 3rd party software as it always was. Botting should be risky as fuck, it shouldn't be something that every second person you know in game does.
I remember when they were using the phrase "against the spirit of the game". I haven't heard that for years now, but that's exactly what botting is.
averagepriestz, on 28 December 2012 - 05:59 PM, said:
How do you blame bots? WoW has been out for 8 years, and some of us are moving on with our lives. Having 1 or 2 alts, a job or education (perhaps both) to take care of, wanting to do some casual PvE aswell and stay competitive in PvP at the same time. The entire game has changed, but the way you farm honor hasn't. Each season, I have to grind 30k honor on 3 different toons. This would take me perhaps 1 month if I had to do it in my own time. Not to mention the fact that I have probably close to half a million kills. It is a repetitive ritual I have done for 8 seasons on my own. There is a reason chinese firms offer it, and people buy it. If I want to stay competitive, I need the honorgear the first two weeks, on all my toons and now with the upgrade, I need it even more.
TL;DR Blizzard has changed how PvP is a lot, but have not touched how farming honour works. It is an outdated mechanic going back 6 years and with each new update (MoP, upgradable gear) it is getting harder and harder to do. Yes, you can blame Blizzard for forcing people to using bots. The oppertunity cost is simply too great to be doing it on your own, rather spend 25 euros for a bot.
I know people who made 5man premades first day honor gear was available, won like 40 BGs in a row or something like that, and got all honor gear. In a day. It was WSG call to arms, but still.
I do agree that the honor farming methods themselves are outdated though. Losing is not rewarding enough considering there's no coordination whatsoever in BGs, and that's frustrating when you're actually going for honor. They've always been increasing rewards for winning, to motivate people to actually do objectives and win, but I always thought that was the wrong approach and they should just make winning/losing in random
battlegrounds irrelevant - leave the objectives meta game to rated. After all, for the solo player, it's completely random
whether you'll win or lose. Perhaps you also need too much honor now with the upgrades. Conquest points have the same problem.
I see what you mean and yes, Blizzard is also to blame for keeping the system bad for too long. Less people would bot if it was more bearable to do it yourself.
Nycto, on 28 December 2012 - 06:01 PM, said:
I'm curious, how did bots remove that aspect? If 70% of the players are bots, and you remove them, you are going to have to wait like 15+ minutes for a battlegroup queue pop. Bots didn't stop you being able to play a random bg,
It removed it in the sense that it's no longer fun. If you simply never enjoyed it, then yeah, we're just different; I used to queue for random BGs entire TBC and first half of WotLK as a way to pass time when there was nothing more productive or fun to do. It was just fun running around and pwning nubs, and no it's not fun to play against bots. Flying around on your mount around Stormwind and Elwynn is higher up on the fun scale than that.
Nisslol, on 28 December 2012 - 09:23 PM, said:
Mind elaborating that part? Or have you only just found out about Dreadful gear?
In TBC you needed to grind all the offsets every season. Now you only need to grind at the start of the expansion, or on a fresh character.
Edited by Thaya, 29 December 2012 - 01:32 PM.