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[Silhin]

Zeiyo, on 24 December 2012 - 10:02 PM, said:

i have a healing tide that ticks 10k and can be killed with a feather =)

seriously though if prep goes basline then cloak CD shouldnt be reset by it atleast

Zeiyo, on 24 December 2012 - 10:02 PM, said:

i have a healing tide that ticks 10k and can be killed with a feather =)

seriously though if prep goes basline then cloak CD shouldnt be reset by it atleast

Let me see if my memory serve me right shaman's did fine before healing tide oh yeah you was tier1 healer for all last xpac with out healing tide thats just a addon not to mention your extra shield wall .what did rogues get this Xpac to survive better ? Um nothing but elusive Bs and medicore at best Rogue gets feared with fient up Switch to rogue before fear end with a stun dead rogue Ty Game this patch from the looks of it is gonna make us more glass cannon type not addressing the real issue rogues have its that they die to anything with a stun


Inb4 shaman can die in a stun to now

U have so many outs its not even funny

[AcerMVP]

korzal, on 24 December 2012 - 10:57 PM, said:

you must have never heard of an ability called Shockwave

Nope never, thats why I have not kept complaining about it all season ;p

[Zeiyo]

Silhin, on 24 December 2012 - 11:19 PM, said:

Let me see if my memory serve me right shaman's did fine before healing tide oh yeah you was tier1 healer for all last xpac with out healing tide thats just a addon not to mention your extra shield wall .what did rogues get this Xpac to survive better ? Um nothing but elusive Bs and medicore at best Rogue gets feared with fient up Switch to rogue before fear end with a stun dead rogue Ty Game this patch from the looks of it is gonna make us more glass cannon type not addressing the real issue rogues have its that they die to anything with a stun


Inb4 shaman can die in a stun to now

U have so many outs its not even funny

im ele, a 10k ticking healing tide that gets one shot is literally my only defensive...if you can call it that, if you defend having double cloak ontop of everything rogues will have you are either clueless or just bad

Edited by Zeiyo, 25 December 2012 - 12:07 AM.

[Kifasa]

Durotann, on 24 December 2012 - 10:44 PM, said:

Probably because you have to spend a global and 20 energy every 4 seconds on it and if you get caught in a stun with out it you just flop over whereas cheat death does something no matter what (or it's intended to). Personally I still like elusiveness, but I haven't really played my rogue much this season. I would like to see something like 10% passive damage reduction added to the cheat death talent, I think that might make it more attractive. Though that might also make it mandatory.

Thanks for Your input. I know 5 sec makes pre-feinting quite hard, but glyphing feint makes this ability last 7 sec. Refreshing it every 7 sec is troublesome a bit but gives You constant 30% dmg reduction, which is quite decent. Wondering why I can't find a single Rogue doing so...

[originn]

Kifasa, on 25 December 2012 - 08:23 AM, said:

Thanks for Your input. I know 5 sec makes pre-feinting quite hard, but glyphing feint makes this ability last 7 sec. Refreshing it every 7 sec is troublesome a bit but gives You constant 30% dmg reduction, which is quite decent. Wondering why I can't find a single Rogue doing so...

Its not hard to keep up feint while being focused even though spamming it while trying to keep up rupt+snd is pretty much impossible. The problem is what happens when u get swapped to in a stun in those kinda situations cheat death is much better

[Speedymart]

New shuriken toss is amazing


Decided to give deadly throw + shuriken a try, and holy fuck wizards are going to cry



Hit and run has replaced the cloak and dagger talent. So everyone will be taking ShS again as it's half the CD of hit and run

Edited by Speedymart, 03 January 2013 - 10:21 AM.

[WildeHilde]

Problem with Deadly Throw is that you can only use it on your current target, unless you spec into Marked for Death and skip Shuriken Toss. But I agree - with Shuriken Toss autoattacks giving combo points (estimate is about 3 CP for 20 energy) we have the strongest ranged lockdown in the game and could (disregarding fake casts) interrupt 100% of the spell casts from range.  Paralytic is stacking pretty fast with Toss, too.

Question is, if Nerve Strike stacks and I could not test that, yet.

[Speedymart]

WildeHilde, on 03 January 2013 - 10:28 AM, said:

Problem with Deadly Throw is that you can only use it on your current target, unless you spec into Marked for Death and skip Shuriken Toss. But I agree - with Shuriken Toss autoattacks giving combo points (estimate is about 3 CP for 20 energy) we have the strongest ranged lockdown in the game and could (disregarding fake casts) interrupt 100% of the spell casts from range.  Paralytic is stacking pretty fast with Toss, too.

Question is, if Nerve Strike stacks and I could not test that, yet.

Haven't tested either but shurkin toss is hitting 2k harder then hemo is

hits 1k less then backstab

I'm slightly worried to where this is going

[AcerMVP]

We're ninja range style.

[Kifasa]

Speedymart, on 03 January 2013 - 10:43 AM, said:

Haven't tested either but shurkin toss is hitting 2k harder then hemo is

hits 1k less then backstab

I'm slightly worried to where this is going

Hehe. Even now (in 5.1) I was thinking about using Toss as a basic comb-point builder in place of Hemo. Dmg is slightly smaller, but You are never energy starved => more combo points => more Eviscerates.

Edited by Kifasa, 03 January 2013 - 06:09 PM.

[Zigo]

Just change rogues to ninjas and call it a day

[Fallen]

25k dps with shuriken on ptr gear

jupp jupp... needs a change (Can do it while moving aswell)

PS: Why was poison apply removed from regular throw, but still works with shuriken sigh

[WildeHilde]

Toss is strong but not overpowered in my opinion. Our silence/stun combos with Paralytic and Nerve Strike and 150 energy are the part I'm a lot more worried about. With some proc luck we can shut down a healer for 3-4.5 (Garrote) 6  Kidney and 4 (Paralytic) =  9 - 16.5 seconds based on proc luck and glyph choice on every restealth / DR reset and leave them with about 43% reduced healing afterwards for six seconds.

One issue with Toss is the CP generation through auto attacks. The buff stays on even in melee range and so Toss basically takes the role of Hemo, which will only be used to keep the bleed up (better DPE than Backstab when including the bleed damage). With 3CP for 20 energy it has a better CP generation than Mutilate and higher damage than Hemo.

Still - and this is why I think it is not overpowered - it makes our non-burst phases better, it eases setting up bursts, but unlike Marked for Death and Anticipation it doesn't add to the burst itself.

For rogues to even consider a talent competing with burst-enhancing ones is good design. So in my humble opinion Shuriken Toss is the last place to look for when nerfing rogues.

[mimmick]

still waiting for cloak and dagger

[Speedymart]

mimmick, on 04 January 2013 - 09:57 AM, said:

still waiting for cloak and dagger

They removed it before the patch went live, something about internal testing and it being really clunky

[mimmick]

Speedymart, on 04 January 2013 - 01:29 PM, said:

They removed it before the patch went live, something about internal testing and it being really clunky

ahh what a shame

[AcerMVP]

I knew Cloak and Dagger wouldn't work out. Either way, what the hell is Hit and Run? I haven't really looked into the notes since I've been extremely busy.

[sounds_]

OhhiimMvp, on 04 January 2013 - 02:39 PM, said:

I knew Cloak and Dagger wouldn't work out. Either way, what the hell is Hit and Run? I haven't really looked into the notes since I've been extremely busy.

http://www.arenajunk...gue-animations/

[WildeHilde]

The only real use I can see for Hit and Run is something like following a monk flag carrier that is on the roof in Warsong or abusing other z-axis stuff. It would be pretty good if it had a lower cooldown, but right now ShS just seems way stronger. You can /cancelaura the second teleport.

There are some solid tricks like teleporting in to bait CDs and then be out before they actually hurt, but stuff like this only works until everyone knows the skill. If it would be baseline for some reason and not compete with step it would open up a lot of really interesting moves. But I just can't see any reason to not use ShS over Hit and Run currently.

[AcerMVP]

Yea Hildegard, pretty much what I think. I can see why Rzn still picked ShS over hit and run. I was trying to see what Hit and Run did, but he wouldn't pick it and now that I do, it will only be fun to gank kids or use in BG's.