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#101 Zigo

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:13 PM

So why exactly is shuriken toss giving us 3 combo points... is this intended?

#102 Kifasa

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 08:05 PM

View PostSpeedymart, on 03 January 2013 - 10:20 AM, said:

New shuriken toss is amazing
Decided to give deadly throw + shuriken a try, and holy fuck wizards are going to cry

Huge Battle: Nerve Strike vs Deadly Throw
:D
Both are hell for healers I guess...

Edited by Kifasa, 04 January 2013 - 08:05 PM.

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#103 Vengeânce1296684277

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 09:07 PM

So many random buffs to rogues.

Please let me just live through a shockwave

#104 WildeHilde

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 09:08 PM

View PostZigo, on 04 January 2013 - 06:13 PM, said:

So why exactly is shuriken toss giving us 3 combo points... is this intended?

Not really sure. The tooltip does not reflect it.

#105 Zigo

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 09:17 PM

Only thing I can think is that atm its bugged and when you "auto atk" its registering as using shuriken toss again, thus more cbps.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 09:43 PM

Who cares, I still use Toss as a combo point builder now, it still hits harder than hemo and way less energy.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 09:53 PM

hit and run would be good if the cooldown was a lot shorter.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 11:29 PM

View PostKifasa, on 04 January 2013 - 08:05 PM, said:

Huge Battle: Nerve Strike vs Deadly Throw
:D
Both are hell for healers I guess...

it will depend on comp and playstyle and if any healer besides a disc priest actually has to cast to heal...

I would think nerve strike will be the go to choice in most cases because of the lack of casting that casters have actually have to do.

deadly would be good for a comp where you are going to be training a caster team, I.E. a team with a mage or a ele shaman cause those are the only two that have spell bars this expac. Possibly lock seeing as how they removed blood fear, but they still dont have to cast anything to get dots out so well see.

#109 Kifasa

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 08:00 AM

View PostWildeHilde, on 04 January 2013 - 09:08 PM, said:

Not really sure. The tooltip does not reflect it.
Maybe this double dmg from Toss when range is >10y counts as Crit and then at least 1 combo point is because of HaT.
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#110 WildeHilde

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 12:25 PM

Good point. HaT also explains the randomness.

#111 Kifasa

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 04:57 PM

Btw. BoS is still 50 energy and breaks stealth... :(
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#112 Zigo

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 05:16 PM

HaT explains it quite well, does hat apply to dagger auto attacks?

#113 WildeHilde

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 05:26 PM

Seems the Toss auto-attacks are treated as styles.

#114 Zigo

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 05:44 PM

Ya the way it reads does lend to that explanation  "replaces your auto-atks with shuriken toss (a special move)" so it sounds like its working as intended. Pretty nice for rogues.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:41 AM

I feel like I don't want to leave PTR now... Both new Nerve Strike and Deadly Throw (with Shuriken Toss) makes Rogues gameplay so enjoyable...

How do You guys feel about Subterfuge? Somehow I can't get used to it, so for the timebeing I stick with Shadow Focus, which allows me to Dance pretty early with 150 energy! :D
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:51 AM

Yeah, I could never get use to play subterfuge at all, I prefer shadow focus. once you cheap shot or garrote, you're at 120 energy which isn't bad, it's more than we had before and it allows you to dance right away. premed>slice n dice>cheap shot>rupture>dance>garrote after cheap shot on casters/healers. big opening damage right away. subterfuge just feels awkward for me
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#117 Kifasa

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:02 AM

View PostGodx, on 07 January 2013 - 10:51 AM, said:

Yeah, I could never get use to play subterfuge at all, I prefer shadow focus. once you cheap shot or garrote, you're at 120 energy which isn't bad, it's more than we had before and it allows you to dance right away. premed>slice n dice>cheap shot>rupture>dance>garrote after cheap shot on casters/healers. big opening damage right away. subterfuge just feels awkward for me

Good to know it's not just me. Not to mention 2xcheap shot because of lag... :P

As far as balance is concerned I have to admit that Rogues are hell for casters, but melee cleaves still rape us in stun... :P
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 12:18 PM

You will get used to it eventually. Honestly subterfuge is better, I just wish it didnt fuck dance randomly.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 04:03 PM

I love subterfuge, but I never got used to it and never planned to... I rather use the 100% Energy free CS to dance early ;p

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 08:12 PM

This will be sooo much fun :D





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