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Posted 13 December 2012 - 09:57 PM

every comp counters certain comps so u cant rly compared top tier players between all comps id say

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 02:35 AM

some are saying matches will end in a draw, but think about it, if one of the teams has a melee with slows and MS debuff, even if nobody scores a kill the opposing healer is bound to go OOM.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 03:00 AM

monk healer - disc - dance rogue. it got it all mate. Impossible to cc monk, super healing burst and surv on priest and amazing pressure by rogue who doens't rely on cds to score a kill and can totaly solo shit



on a serious note god mode ferals + shadow priest + balancedheals shammy... come on .. 9outta10 healers at last global finals were shammies...  is it a case ?
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 03:05 AM

View PostGalaleo, on 13 December 2012 - 09:33 PM, said:

Id have to give the edge to the human who programs the bot to wintrade.
You must travel far from home than, and find young scholars of Cruelty(to be more exact Sanguino crew), I have a confidential information that they are working on a prototype. Now i wont point any fingers since my life is already in danger as it is.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 05:40 AM

View PostTalbadar, on 13 December 2012 - 10:13 AM, said:

Also take into consideration situations like this:

A perfect Priest would try to instantly Mass Dispel a Paladin when he uses Divine Shield. The opposing class with a lockout will try to stop that Mass Dispel, but the Priest's partners will try to stop that player from interrupting the Mass Dispel. Knowing this, the opposing team will try to stop them from CCing the person trying to interrupt the Priest. I could go on, but I think you get it.

So in this case where 100% perfect bots play, a healer bot would be able to fake cast perfectly and a DPS would be able to interrupt perfectly. How does that turn out?

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 10:30 AM

http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 11:29 AM

View PostEnaina, on 14 December 2012 - 05:40 AM, said:

So in this case where 100% perfect bots play, a healer bot would be able to fake cast perfectly and a DPS would be able to interrupt perfectly. How does that turn out?

Essentially the cast would be kicked immediately upon it being started with zero lag off the GCD.  The interrupt is going to land every time.
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:42 PM

View PostSweatyfingrs, on 14 December 2012 - 11:29 AM, said:

Essentially the cast would be kicked immediately upon it being started with zero lag off the GCD.  The interrupt is going to land every time.

View PostSweatyfingrs, on 14 December 2012 - 11:29 AM, said:

Essentially the cast would be kicked immediately upon it being started with zero lag off the GCD.  The interrupt is going to land every time.

And the perfect healer knows that and wont cast i guess then

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:47 PM

What if the perfect healer/caster knew that and got kicked on a certain spellschool so they could cast? Or would the perfect interrupter know that and not kick that cast?

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:49 PM

well if they always got interrupted instantly, would that mean that druid/paladin would be best healer?  Also that would greatly increase how good locks/mages were since they would get consistant 8 second lockouts in combination with all their normal cc.  So I change my comp to MLD, or MLP, because a druid can avoid a lot of cc with perfect shapeshifting/stealthing etc

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 02:00 PM

Warrior/spriest/sham by far if like you said played right
www.Twitch.tv/wushington - Multi Gladiator feral stream

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 02:56 PM

View PostGambino6, on 14 December 2012 - 02:00 PM, said:

Warrior/spriest/sham by far if like you said played right

Wouldn't spriests be a lot less useful, if their md got instantly cs by mages etc, assuming they can interrupt instantly?

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 02:57 PM

Thinking about this made my brain hurt

rmp vs rmp

priest wants to md , rogue predicts so attempts kick , priest predicts the prediction so fakes it , rogue predicts that the priest predicts his prediction so doesnt kick , ect ect   Help

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 03:04 PM

View PostHiroshx1, on 13 December 2012 - 12:34 PM, said:

Godcomp/MLS


Or Feral/Sp/rsham?

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 03:06 PM

View PostZerlog, on 14 December 2012 - 03:04 PM, said:

Or Feral/Sp/rsham?

This is what I thought at first, but would a mls just instantly dispel all the feral procs etc, and kick all the spriest md?  I think that spriest/feral/sham might be one of the strongest comps on live, and I assumed it the same  here, but thinking about it I think I've changed my mind to some type of mls/mld/mlp because of the double spell lock, and purging, and the instant casts the bots can't counter.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 03:17 PM

View Postdjp771133, on 14 December 2012 - 03:06 PM, said:

This is what I thought at first, but would a mls just instantly dispel all the feral procs etc, and kick all the spriest md?  I think that spriest/feral/sham might be one of the strongest comps on live, and I assumed it the same  here, but thinking about it I think I've changed my mind to some type of mls/mld/mlp because of the double spell lock, and purging, and the instant casts the bots can't counter.
Feral would outplay the mage by seeing him go onto GCD so he will use hes ability to proc pred swift and use the pred swift insta clone whilst mage is on GCD, yoloswag?

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 03:36 PM

this is stupid
www.Twitch.tv/wushington - Multi Gladiator feral stream

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 03:37 PM

View PostNatokni, on 14 December 2012 - 03:17 PM, said:

Feral would outplay the mage by seeing him go onto GCD so he will use hes ability to proc pred swift and use the pred swift insta clone whilst mage is on GCD, yoloswag?

rofl, this went fro interesting to retarded, i feel as though the bots would run around doing nothing because they would predict, the predictions f the predctions of the predictions etc, etc rofl.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 02:16 AM

i dont see how an interrupt at 1 milisecond after cast starts is the perfect interrupt.
wouldnt the perfect interrupt be 1 milisecond before the end of the cast since the caster already lost the full cast duration -1 ms doing nothing? but then his partnets would know he was going to be interrupted, but then the interrupter would know the enemy partners would try stopping him from interrupting on the last second so he would interrupt 1 milisecond before they try stopping him, and it goes on until the healer is only able to cast AFTER the interrupter is peeled.

Edited by Railander, 15 December 2012 - 02:16 AM.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 02:18 AM

View Postdjp771133, on 14 December 2012 - 03:37 PM, said:

rofl, this went fro interesting to retarded, i feel as though the bots would run around doing nothing because they would predict, the predictions f the predctions of the predictions etc, etc rofl.
not really. assuming the computer running these calculations can do so in real time, it'd use probabilistic to pick commands so they would definitely be doing something and that something is always gonna be the best option possible given the circumstances, to the point that matches would be decided solely on comp vs comp.

Edited by Railander, 15 December 2012 - 02:19 AM.

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