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[Railander]

Raikufail, on 14 December 2012 - 12:49 PM, said:

Lol worst change so bassicly frostbomb useless, people dont understand how the games works at all. People dont get that it would be unbalanced for the mage if he dosent kill people in 1 DF (assuming he has all cds up and the target has non). Mages ONLY burst is in DF so if a mage dosent kill someone in a DF even if they come out of the DF on 70k hp he wont die because a mage has no finisher. Outside of frostbomb mages are the worst class. Just because a mage can drop someone to like 20% in a DF dosent mean its retarded, its how the game needs to work in order to make mages viable. (A 20% dmg nerf or smth at max would be best).

first of all, i dont understand why you're always referring to "frost" as "mage". you have more than 1 spec, specially more than 1 viable and thats not to mention more than 1 talent in that row.
also, are YOU retarded or what? OF COURSE IT FUCKING MATTERS TO BRING SOMEONE FROM 100 TO 20% IN A FEW GCDS BECAUSE UNLESS THEY ADD A 1V1 BRACKET YOU'RE NOT PLAYING BY YOURSELF

Edited by Railander, 15 December 2012 - 08:15 PM.

[slimóo]

So what you are saying is that just because mages has more speccs it's fine to totally destroy frost mages?

Edited by slimóo, 15 December 2012 - 03:05 AM.

[duskfallx]

Raikufail, on 14 December 2012 - 12:49 PM, said:

Outside of frostbomb mages are the worst class.

I agree, but that doesn't change the fact whenever You Deep Freezed something with Frost Bomb up it was nearly dead.
You also said You can drop a class by 170k without using cds. Well, show me which class can do that outside of CDs? ALL classes are insanely cooldown dependant, while as a Mage You can kill something nearly every Deep, Frost Bomb, CS on healer. I just find it hilarious You don't see how retarded mages were. Every single game You could literally roll Your face on keyboard, do countless mistakes and win, as a Mage. Especially if You play with a Warrior.
It's rather funny that You're a Rank1 Mage and You don't see how broken Frost Bomb damage was before that nerf. I mean, fair enough, mages will be bad after that nerf, but this change is NEEDED to fix this game.
Very sorry that you won't be able to do nothing and win though yeah, really wish I could agree with You but You sound like an unexperienced player being upset that his class is being nerfed, completely missing the whole point of the change.
I really wish You'd see Mages from other class perspective. You simply can't say this nerf is bad.
No offence.

Raikufail, on 14 December 2012 - 12:49 PM, said:

People dont get that it would be unbalanced for the mage if he dosent kill people in 1 DF

k

Edited by duskfallx, 15 December 2012 - 03:39 AM.

[slimóo]

Well i think most mages would agree that they all are fine with a frostbomb nerf, its just that 50% was just a overkill..

Edited by slimóo, 15 December 2012 - 03:14 AM.

[Zeiyo]

Raikufail, on 14 December 2012 - 12:49 PM, said:

Lol worst change so bassicly frostbomb useless, people dont understand how the games works at all. People dont get that it would be unbalanced for the mage if he dosent kill people in 1 DF

yeah if mages dont kill in 1 DF that would just be..... OUTRAGEOUS !!!!!!!!!!!

[Toxile]

I'm seriously liking nether tempest frost, Playing around with it today in 3's if you go full haste and use frost armor when you can you legit just stand there with unlimited frostfire bolts. It changes the playstyle completely, The amount of aoe pressure you can do alone with procs, Really looking foward to doing some MLS with a ua lock or boomkin mage i can imagine it being similar to fire last season just without the combustion.

[Toxile]

Yeh nether tempest is way foward real talk

Edited by Toxile, 15 December 2012 - 04:13 AM.

[methodman2]

why are ferals still untouched

[Enaina]

I can imagine that Frost Bomb explodes after 3 sec with normal haste. Regardless, if the duration is just slightly lower than 4 sec, you can now just deep instantly after the bomb and spend your gobals on ice lances instead, and still have a guarantee bomb within your deep. No real need to explode it anymore.

So why is this change such a MEGA nerf? The flat 20 % only seems fair.

Edited by Enaina, 15 December 2012 - 05:11 AM.

[Durotann]

Enaina, on 15 December 2012 - 05:06 AM, said:

I can imagine that Frost Bomb explodes after 3 sec with normal haste. Regardless, if the duration is just slightly lower than 4 sec, you can now just deep instantly after the bomb and spend your gobals on ice lances instead, and still have a guarantee bomb within your deep. No real need to explode it anymore.

So why is this change such a MEGA nerf? The flat 20 % only seems fair.

because that statement only applies if you're deeping the dispeller.

Edit: I agree the 20% seems fair. I think it's the 60% damage reduction upon detonation with fireblast glyph that was a bit over the top.

Edited by Durotann, 15 December 2012 - 05:34 AM.

[Wallirik]

Durotann, on 15 December 2012 - 05:32 AM, said:

because that statement only applies if you're deeping the dispeller.

well putting the dispeller in a blanket CS isn't too hard, is it?

[Crawthz]

Wallirik, on 15 December 2012 - 06:21 AM, said:

well putting the dispeller in a blanket CS isn't too hard, is it?

Now imagine the ridiculous amount of setup one spell requires to do any damage?

[Durotann]

Wallirik, on 15 December 2012 - 06:21 AM, said:

well putting the dispeller in a blanket CS isn't too hard, is it?

Perhaps not hard, but you're not always going to have counter spell up every time you want to frost bomb.

[Structural]

Mage

• Frost Bomb will now detonate after 4 seconds (was 6 seconds), and the damage it deals to other players has been reduced by 20%.

M M M M M MONSTER KILL KILLL KILLLL

Edited by Structural, 15 December 2012 - 08:53 AM.

[Dizzeeyo]

affix, on 14 December 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

have you tried frost w/ scorch yet?  seem possibly good

since the majority of us fire mages were already playing with pom instead of scorch just to get alter time pom rings i doubt they would think of trying scorch with frost

duskfallx, on 15 December 2012 - 03:08 AM, said:

I agree, but that doesn't change the fact whenever You Deep Freezed something with Frost Bomb up it was nearly dead.
You also said You can drop a class by 170k without using cds. Well, show me which class can do that outside of CDs? ALL classes are insanely cooldown dependant, while as a Mage You can kill something nearly every Deep, Frost Bomb, CS on healer. I just find it hilarious You don't see how retarded mages were. Every single game You could literally roll Your face on keyboard, do countless mistakes and win, as a Mage. Especially if You play with a Warrior.
It's rather funny that You're a Rank1 Mage and You don't see how broken Frost Bomb damage was before that nerf. I mean, fair enough, mages will be bad after that nerf, but this change is NEEDED to fix this game.
Very sorry that you won't be able to do nothing and win though yeah, really wish I could agree with You but You sound like an unexperienced player being upset that his class is being nerfed, completely missing the whole point of the change.
I really wish You'd see Mages from other class perspective. You simply can't say this nerf is bad.
No offence.


k

could you ignore what he actually said more? if affliction had similar pressure to what it did in s11 you wouldnt even be in this thread

Railander, on 15 December 2012 - 02:23 AM, said:

first of all, i dont understand why you're always referring to "frost" as "mage". you have more than 1 spec and specially more than 1 viable and thats not to mention more than 1 talent at that row.

which spec exactly are you referring to? fire is even more built around globaling something in a deep with zero damage outside the deep unless you can cleave damage onto lots of targets (rbgs) and even getting the deep requiring a retarded amount of setup, and arcane will never be viable while it depends on a talent that forces you to remain stationary in order to do the most damage the spec is capable of

Edited by Dizzeeyo, 15 December 2012 - 10:49 AM.

[Ermurazorqt]

Is the hotfix for less damage live in EU yet?

[Jinngofagswag]

All the scrub mages crying <3

[Dizzeeyo]

Ermurazorqt, on 15 December 2012 - 11:23 AM, said:

Is the hotfix for less damage live in EU yet?

could have done a game of 2s to see in the time it took you to post?

Jinngofagswag, on 15 December 2012 - 11:27 AM, said:

All the scrub mages crying <3

all the complete randoms posting

Edited by Dizzeeyo, 15 December 2012 - 11:30 AM.

[Ermurazorqt]

Dizzeeyo, on 15 December 2012 - 11:30 AM, said:

could have done a game of 2s to see in the time it took you to post?

That's a bit hard since this is sent on my phone, but if you have a working client for Iphone wow, hook me up.

[Giky]

Ermurazorqt, on 15 December 2012 - 11:23 AM, said:

Is the hotfix for less damage live in EU yet?

Nop