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#341 Koshimo

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 04:45 AM

frost bomb nerf jk doesnt matter fire 1 shots just as hard as prenerf frost bomb did
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#342 Crawthz

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 04:47 AM

View Postaffix, on 14 December 2012 - 02:11 AM, said:

my previous post is 100% accurate.  Hotfixes since 5.1 came out:

-50% glyph damage (happened a couple days ago)
-20% damage to players (today)
4 second debuff duration down from 6 seconds (today)

Only 4sec debuff is live on EU at the moment.. Wish it all would be so I could properly adjust. Seems like running with the glyph is now pointless.

Edit
From my screenshot on dummies, I went to do arenas and I still did huge bombs with glyph

Edited by Crawthz, 14 December 2012 - 05:18 AM.

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#343 affix

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:46 AM

View PostCrawthz, on 14 December 2012 - 04:47 AM, said:

Only 4sec debuff is live on EU at the moment.. Wish it all would be so I could properly adjust. Seems like running with the glyph is now pointless.

Edit
From my screenshot on dummies, I went to do arenas and I still did huge bombs with glyph
Take a screenshot of a naked mage frost bombing a naked pvp target, not shattered, i kinda doubt the 20% is on in on europe.

#344 Darthgnoe

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 07:32 AM

So wait there's been a 20% overall dmg nerf for everyone or what?

#345 Claynz

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 12:24 PM

View PostDarthgnoe, on 14 December 2012 - 07:32 AM, said:

So wait there's been a 20% overall dmg nerf for everyone or what?


20% flat damage nerf to frostbomb + the glyph 50% dmg nerf.    30k bomb critts in shatters with glyph 70k without glyph. I think that 70k is fine damage what i critt with lavalash. Should revert the glyph change tho the 20% flat is nice alone.

#346 Raikufail

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 12:49 PM

Lol worst change so bassicly frostbomb useless, people dont understand how the games works at all. People dont get that it would be unbalanced for the mage if he dosent kill people in 1 DF (assuming he has all cds up and the target has non). Mages ONLY burst is in DF so if a mage dosent kill someone in a DF even if they come out of the DF on 70k hp he wont die because a mage has no finisher. Outside of frostbomb mages are the worst class. Just because a mage can drop someone to like 20% in a DF dosent mean its retarded, its how the game needs to work in order to make mages viable. (A 20% dmg nerf or smth at max would be best).

Every game i play in 2s (irrelevant but still) I will use Icy veins on use trinket and orb on a healer who dosent have trinket, I might do about 250k in that DF but then he will still be around 100k after, I cant finish him at all my proccs are gone because i used pet nova to DF (u lost 1) and u do icelance in DF (u lost another 1).

Now some retard is going to say "but in 3v3 u have another class who dpses with you". It is true but it dosent change the fact that I just used every single Cd I have and the target had nothing and It's not like I do 250k everytime i might do around 170k without cds which still leaves the target with 50% and me with nothing to finish him even if i would full cs him the max damage i would do in the Cs without frostbomb would be around 20k.

#347 Saikx

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:11 PM

View PostRaikufail, on 14 December 2012 - 12:49 PM, said:

Lol worst change so bassicly frostbomb useless, people dont understand how the games works at all. People dont get that it would be unbalanced for the mage if he dosent kill people in 1 DF (assuming he has all cds up and the target has non). Mages ONLY burst is in DF so if a mage dosent kill someone in a DF even if they come out of the DF on 70k hp he wont die because a mage has no finisher. Outside of frostbomb mages are the worst class. Just because a mage can drop someone to like 20% in a DF dosent mean its retarded, its how the game needs to work in order to make mages viable. (A 20% dmg nerf or smth at max would be best).

Every game i play in 2s (irrelevant but still) I will use Icy veins on use trinket and orb on a healer who dosent have trinket, I might do about 250k in that DF but then he will still be around 100k after, I cant finish him at all my proccs are gone because i used pet nova to DF (u lost 1) and u do icelance in DF (u lost another 1).

Now some retard is going to say "but in 3v3 u have another class who dpses with you". It is true but it dosent change the fact that I just used every single Cd I have and the target had nothing and It's not like I do 250k everytime i might do around 170k without cds which still leaves the target with 50% and me with nothing to finish him even if i would full cs him the max damage i would do in the Cs without frostbomb would be around 20k.

It was balanced against good players, hilarious against retards that cant evade/stop bomb though, and since they balance around retards we get a 70% dmg nerf with fireblast glyph...

they should revert the fireblast glyph and keep the 20% dmg nerf or revert the 20% nerf and give back 5s deep and 5s bomb

Edited by Saikx, 14 December 2012 - 01:14 PM.

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#348 Raikufail

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:15 PM

View PostSaikx, on 14 December 2012 - 01:11 PM, said:

It was balanced against good players, hilarious against retards that cant evade/stop bomb though, and since they balance around retards we get a 70% dmg nerf with fireblast glyph, ty blizz

Yea which i guess is ok if ur like on the same level as a rival or gladiator but sucks for everyone who is better. 70% even for a gladiator level player is overkill.

They need to only make the 20% damage buff or lower, like 10-20% something around that because u need on demand burst.

Edited by Raikufail, 14 December 2012 - 01:22 PM.


#349 Xandyn

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 04:42 PM

You can still kill people 100-0% in deep freeze with cooldowns tho.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:21 PM

View PostXandyn, on 14 December 2012 - 04:42 PM, said:

You can still kill people 100-0% in deep freeze with cooldowns tho.
being naked or level 10 doesn't count Xandyn nice try

#351 affix

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:53 PM

fyi 20% nerf + 50% nerf = 60% reduction, not 70%

bomb is dead, long live nether tempest

#352 Fleinflex

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 07:02 PM

You think we will see some mages playing around with Nether Tempest now instead of frost bomb maybe? Anyone tryed it?
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 07:11 PM

View Postaffix, on 14 December 2012 - 06:53 PM, said:

fyi 20% nerf + 50% nerf = 60% reduction, not 70%

bomb is dead, long live nether tempest

shhh

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 07:14 PM

well I can say I'd rather have my anus ravaged by nether tempest, rather than be one-shot by what is known as pre-nerf frostbomb

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 07:32 PM

View Postvenruki, on 14 December 2012 - 07:11 PM, said:

shhh
have you tried frost w/ scorch yet?  seem possibly good

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 07:37 PM

View Postaffix, on 14 December 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

have you tried frost w/ scorch yet?  seem possibly good
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#357 Pritchard

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 07:54 PM

View Postaffix, on 14 December 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

have you tried frost w/ scorch yet?  seem possibly good

haste, nether tempest, scorch, welly glyph = mobile frost machine.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 10:36 PM

i love how none of the changes are live in eu yet (or at least on our battlegroup).

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 10:39 PM

View PostTalbadar, on 14 December 2012 - 07:37 PM, said:

-_-
nether tempest + means that we have some periods of proclessness and opening up fire tree instead of frost seems a lot more desirable, and with block glyph we have a few extra opportunities for nearly guaranteed sheeps than before.  Mages play totally differently today than they have for the rest of the expansion.  haste nether tempest feels strong

#360 Jacquelol

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 10:53 PM

even tho I agree that mages needed toning down I think this nerf is quite hard.
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