saffie, on 11 December 2012 - 12:16 PM, said:
I hate to agree with regent, and I still disagree with most of the things he is saying in this thread, but I do feel like SP's are op. They aren't warrior or mage op, or pre nerf bm hunter or demo lock op. But they are op nonetheless. People justify it by saying "we can't oneshot" But 120k flash heal crits, mass dispel, shields, life grip, life swap, all that cc makes them such a powerful class in arena. Most of the bad shamans rather play with a sp because if they make a mistake they get punished far less than a shaman in a team without a shadow priest.
Couldn't shock that poly? have a mass dispel. Don't have tremor for this fear? Mass dispel. In a really terrible spot being targetted by a mage who just deep freezed you? Mass dispel. Warrior popping all cds on you? life grip, shield, spam heal while faded so you don't get cced.
Apart from that they have really good damage that isn't cd dependant like most of the classes. In any comp to this date taking a random shadow priest is much better than taking a high skilled warlock for example. It makes the comp 30 times better. On top of it all they have fade and spectral guise so they are literally the worst target for casters. Life swap wouldn't be such a huge problem if shadow priests didn't have amazing abilities to survive on a really low cd.
This also makes shadow priests a very fun class to play, you have so many things you can do both defensively and offensively. I would totally reroll shadow priest right now if I could just for the fun playstyle. Most of the time the game lasts ages vs a shadow priest, even when they are losing you just can't score a kill. Its like playing vs 1,5 healers and 2 dps. SP games are like 3,5 vs 3.
If you defend that SP's are fine, then other classes should get the same sort of utility and support, especially the casters that you don't see in arena often these days like moonkins, ele shamans and warlocks.
TLDR; Sp's have way too many defensive cds, support spells and decent damage, covering up for their healers mistakes easily, but since they don't usually one shot, people let it slide and rather focus on warrior/mage damage, when in reality SP's are almost as OP.
I had to respond to this ><. Warlocks are a class you don't see in arena? I saw so many warlocks at the beginning of the expac, then with the buff to enfeeble aura, I saw demo locks absolutely everywhere... Now destro is back, I still see lots of people playing it, and its honestly a very good spec. Also, I don't think people are actually giving affliction a chance. Yes, it's not Season 11 affliction, but a WLD/WLS can put out really solid pressure. About the warlocks needing the "same sort of utility and support"... warlocks are not a hybrid class, and you have PLENTY of abilities that are incredibly good. Depending on what talents you take, you have a complete immunity for 8 seconds which saves games. On top of that, blood fear is absolutely amazing. In the case of shadow priest fears, psyfiend is never 100% reliable, and it has almost no hp now, aswell as the fact that it can easily be CC'd or outranged. If you don't want a shadow priest running to your healer for a fear, it's pretty fucking easy to prevent it. I'm not trying to get into a flame war or defend shadow priests, I just think that people should really consider the tools that their own class brings to the table before going on about some other class. Also, Dark Regen + Healthstone glyph doesn't seem too bad to me as far as self heals/survivability goes..
Edited by Vengeânce1296684277, 12 December 2012 - 03:18 PM.