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#1 Ermurazorqt

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 09:34 PM

So comparing armory of top players in US and EU it's quite funny to see how everyone in US gems almost full out resilience why almost every EU player has full out PvP Power.

According to Reckful resilience gemming is by far superior, can anyone explain why that is? and if that is truly the case why is no one in EU gemming for resilience?

I'm mainly wondering considering some classes that do low damage, like Affliction warlocks, I'm PvP power gemmed but i'm considering trying out resilience gemming. I'm interested to hear what AJ Thinks about gemming in general - resilience or PvP Power =).

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 09:42 PM

Idk, if reckful said so its probably true
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 09:42 PM

gemming res scales better apparently, but eu teams wanna 100-0 poeple

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 09:59 PM

I think you should definetely link the armories you checked. Without them you're just going to get troll answers.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 10:11 PM

Really want to know what you define as top players then, the actual top players in EU is all resilience since its the best
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 10:18 PM

US is just 2 months behind
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 10:26 PM

View PostNadagast, on 12 November 2012 - 09:19 PM, said:

+5% dmg is straight up +5% dmg, hits for 100 will now hit for 105.
+5% resil DR however, is very powerful.  Let's say you're at 60% DR before, 65% after.  That means you're taking 40% damage before, and 35% after.  That's a relative damage reduction of 12.5%, 2.5x better than the damage boost.  I think resil numbers are deceptive.  :)

5% more damage vs 12.5% more reduction, seems only obvious to gem resilience seeing how it scales exponentially

Edited by stalebagel, 07 December 2012 - 10:27 PM.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 10:27 PM

View PostMinpojke, on 07 December 2012 - 10:11 PM, said:

Really want to know what you define as top players then, the actual top players in EU is all resilience since its the best

I know most healers and mages are, but for some classes it's 50/50 like Warlock and moonkins, Blukstack, who is a top warlock, is not resilience gemmed. Bladéy the highest rated on Stormscale is not resilience gemmed.

Feel free to explain though why resilience gemming is the best instead. Also if you actually read all of my post instead of just the headline you would see that i'm mainly curious about warlocks since it's 50/50 there with gemming.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 10:57 PM

Because if you gem resilience, you stop all this "1-shot-bullshit" and actually survive. Also makes games last longer and they come enjoyable.
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 11:13 PM

View PostErmurazorqt, on 07 December 2012 - 09:34 PM, said:

According to Reckful resilience gemming is by far superior

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 11:38 PM

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 11:50 PM

There's a common misconception that PvP Power negates Resilience. This actually isn't true because Resilience is factored in after PvP Power in a sense. Lets say a Frostbomb hits for 100,000. With 50% PvP Power it hits for 150,000. However, if a person has 50% Resilience, it would hit for 75,000 in the end.

Now lets pretend the Mage gemmed more PvP Power and the target gemmed more resilience. The PvP Power became roughly 60%. The Resilience became 55%.
Frost Bomb not hits for 160,000, but with 55% Resilience it hits for 72,000. This is not the exact PvP Power to Resilience scale; but that should give you the picture that Resilience = generally more damage reduction than PvP Power's increased damage point to point with full PvP Gear.

edit: In the end you can't just go one way or the other for everyone. If you play a class like Enhance Shamans, gemming Resilience is probably smart since they get trained over half the time. If you play a class like Warriors, it's probably good to use PvP Power against non-Casters and Rogues.

If you have enough conquest points it's probably best to have 2 sets ready. Wear the set depending on if the team is going to hit you or not. However with the upgrading gear factored in this season it's going to be a lot harder to do this.
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 11:54 PM

View PostVanguards, on 07 December 2012 - 11:50 PM, said:

There's a common misconception that PvP Power negates Resilience. This actually isn't true because Resilience is factored in after PvP Power in a sense. Lets say a Frostbomb hits for 100,000. With 50% PvP Power it hits for 150,000. However, if a person has 50% Resilience, it would hit for 75,000 in the end.

Now lets pretend the Mage gemmed more PvP Power and the target gemmed more resilience. The PvP Power became roughly 60%. The Resilience became 55%.
Frost Bomb not hits for 160,000, but with 55% Resilience it hits for 72,000. This is not the exact PvP Power to Resilience scale; but that should give you the picture that Resilience = generally more damage reduction than PvP Power's increased damage point to point with full PvP Gear.


That was a nice example.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 11:55 PM

eu is not as activ as us, so probably the eu players you looked up dont play much arena and just do rbg and there its wayne

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 11:57 PM

View PostErmurazorqt, on 07 December 2012 - 10:27 PM, said:

I know most healers and mages are, but for some classes it's 50/50 like Warlock and moonkins, Blukstack, who is a top warlock, is not resilience gemmed. Bladéy the highest rated on Stormscale is not resilience gemmed.

Feel free to explain though why resilience gemming is the best instead. Also if you actually read all of my post instead of just the headline you would see that i'm mainly curious about warlocks since it's 50/50 there with gemming.
It's common knowledge that resilience scales better than pvp power. The question is obviously whether or not you actually get attacked; if not, resilience becomes useless. The people you see without resilience gems must not get attacked that often, or they're just clueless. Either way, no one can give you definitive proof of which is better, since it depends on class, combo and the strategy of your opponents.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 11:21 AM

View PostVanguards, on 07 December 2012 - 11:50 PM, said:

There's a common misconception that PvP Power negates Resilience. This actually isn't true because Resilience is factored in after PvP Power in a sense. Lets say a Frostbomb hits for 100,000. With 50% PvP Power it hits for 150,000. However, if a person has 50% Resilience, it would hit for 75,000 in the end.

Now lets pretend the Mage gemmed more PvP Power and the target gemmed more resilience. The PvP Power became roughly 60%. The Resilience became 55%.
Frost Bomb not hits for 160,000, but with 55% Resilience it hits for 72,000. This is not the exact PvP Power to Resilience scale; but that should give you the picture that Resilience = generally more damage reduction than PvP Power's increased damage point to point with full PvP Gear.

edit: In the end you can't just go one way or the other for everyone. If you play a class like Enhance Shamans, gemming Resilience is probably smart since they get trained over half the time. If you play a class like Warriors, it's probably good to use PvP Power against non-Casters and Rogues.

If you have enough conquest points it's probably best to have 2 sets ready. Wear the set depending on if the team is going to hit you or not. However with the upgrading gear factored in this season it's going to be a lot harder to do this.

Thank you for the detailed answer Vanguards :).

To change my question then a bit - I currently play LSD 2 in 3v3 as Warlock and I get trained by some KFC / Melee cleaves but it varies a lot between me shaman and the moonkin. So i'm not sure if it's worth it to gem resilience when i'm only the target 33% of the times compared to the damage benefits from PvP Power gemming, especially considering Affliction warlock damage isn't the best.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 04:15 PM

gems wont overcome the randomness factor, so whatever, doesnt matter what you go with, if you're gonna blame the loss on "damn im full pvp power gemmed instead of full pvp resi" then chances are you are doing something wrong that could be fixed anyway in order to win.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 04:31 PM

View PostNisslol, on 08 December 2012 - 04:15 PM, said:

gems wont overcome the randomness factor, so whatever, doesnt matter what you go with, if you're gonna blame the loss on "damn im full pvp power gemmed instead of full pvp resi" then chances are you are doing something wrong that could be fixed anyway in order to win.

This is exactly the kind of mindset that will hold you back.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 04:40 PM

View PostSuperkåre, on 08 December 2012 - 04:31 PM, said:

This is exactly the kind of mindset that will hold you back.

How so? Rather opposite, as I mentioned, there is probably something you could've done to make the match go into your favour, so you work on that and improve, what's "holding you back" here?

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 04:42 PM

I wouldent call myself a top player but im gemming resil and im in EU
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