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#1 Keddy

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 07:02 AM

So guys, what do you think in terms of overall balance? (Not exploits and mmr/mechanical errors and glitches...)
Does this seasons class balance topple S5? Or does S5 still reign supreme in terms of imbalanced classes?

#2 Improve

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 07:06 AM

i actually like mop, i think itll be fine when rogues and priests get buffed and some classes get toned down.

this is no where near s5

UH dk/survival hunter/prot pally was insane

Edited by Improve, 24 November 2012 - 07:07 AM.

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#3 Keddy

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 07:12 AM

View PostImprove, on 24 November 2012 - 07:06 AM, said:

i actually like mop,

I might be able to say this if not for :rogue:  ;(

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 07:55 AM

View PostImprove, on 24 November 2012 - 07:06 AM, said:

i actually like mop, i think itll be fine when rogues and priests get buffed and some classes get toned down.

this is no where near s5

UH dk/survival hunter/prot pally was insane

ofc you love MoP


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#5 Justblaze

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 08:22 AM

Hunter TNT stun for life xD if you remember that :D!!!

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 08:41 AM

View PostDeeklol, on 24 November 2012 - 07:55 AM, said:

ofc you love MoP


Shaman scum



ofc you say that. When i played resto back in season 5 i could say priest scum afterall your r1 in season 5. . There is always a upside and a downside each season and this is yours but you should know this. Now i don't play resto in s12 i play enhancement and i hate resto just as much but im just dealing with it :) cannot have too high expectation with this game ^^

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 08:51 AM

It is a hard question to answer, because most of these douchebags around here probably forget that nobody gives a fuck about 2v2. Most of them got their titles in 2v2 back then.

I actually never thought I would say this, but in 3v3 in this season, you die in 1-2 seconds, meaning even faster, if you are out of luck, where as in 3v3 back in s5 the game was more or less determined after 30 seconds when someone ran out of CDs.

I don't know but I think the burst is higher in this season, but if you have a resto shaman and a good partner, you can easily take it to 10+ minutes, you could not do that back then.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 09:06 AM

View Postaveragepriestz, on 24 November 2012 - 08:51 AM, said:

It is a hard question to answer, because most of these douchebags around here probably forget that nobody gives a fuck about 2v2. Most of them got their titles in 2v2 back then.

I actually never thought I would say this, but in 3v3 in this season, you die in 1-2 seconds, meaning even faster, if you are out of luck, where as in 3v3 back in s5 the game was more or less determined after 30 seconds when someone ran out of CDs.

I don't know but I think the burst is higher in this season, but if you have a resto shaman and a good partner, you can easily take it to 10+ minutes, you could not do that back then.


I agree with you that games are fast but it's always been this fast from WotLK and outward. Except one thing and that is warriors how retarded they can one shot some classes atm resto druids in particular. Sure that frost mages can burst hard but thats nothing new to me im kinda used to mages and adapted their playstyle.
In my opinion resto-shaman mastery, warrior burst(maybe not a problem now they don't have freedom in avatar) and demonic soul from warlocks need a tunedown.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 09:22 AM

I don't think anything this expansion is close to the "hero" class of the game(dk's in season 5 obv).

View PostRamboJohny, on 27 February 2013 - 08:09 PM, said:

Grow some balls and come get slained and stick the 5's bracket.
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#10 Chizzey

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 09:36 AM

actually Burst>all

this sucks so hard


played WLD with affliction, dominating every game, still get randomly oneshotted, not fun at all

switch to demo and oneshot them to, they need to buff affliction <.<

#11 averagepriestz

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 10:15 AM

View PostFurioni, on 24 November 2012 - 09:22 AM, said:

I don't think anything this expansion is close to the "hero" class of the game(dk's in season 5 obv).

Warriors and Locks are pretty much doing exactly the same. Actually, when you do see those rare tfb stacks, it is even faster. Atleast it took 3 globals for a frost DK :D

#12 Keddy

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 10:32 AM

I think I'm just biased as fuck this season because Rogues aren't as good as they should be. I personally didn't find S5 as atrocious as this season but again; biased :rogue: scum.

imho everything has too much burst because of cooldown stacking, but obviously some of the craziest are Warriors and Mages. (To some extent Hunters, but that's been kind of fixed already.)

Edited by Keddy, 24 November 2012 - 10:34 AM.


#13 Bonjourhihi

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 11:08 AM

wotlk seasons > cataclysm seasons >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MoP seasons

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 11:09 AM

Mages/Wars New class hero.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 11:16 AM

wotlk > mop >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>cata

rls
vial
cunning
rmp openers
triple dps

no thanks jeff

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#16 Keddy

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 11:21 AM

View PostImprove, on 24 November 2012 - 11:16 AM, said:

wotlk > mop >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>cata

rls
vial
cunning
rmp openers
triple dps

no thanks jeff

RLS - No worse than what is running rampant atm.
Vial - Lost most influence after nerf.
Cunning - Didn't seem to be that influential in 3s tbh
Rmp openers - So you were doing what for pretty much every season?
Triple DPS - Random fotm cheese comp that is now weak and outdated. Reminds me of Beastcleave.

You can't use entirely subjective topics to base your opinion, that's just ignorant. ;p

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 11:33 AM

Vial and Cunning are only S11. PvE gear was getting out of hand in every last season of expansion (S8 Shadowmourne and trinkets like DFO; S4 having two 4piece bonuses and trinkets). If Season 10 wasn't ruined by what they did with MMR back then - changing how the system works 2 weeks into the season without a reset, more or less freezing everything between 2.4k and 3k - it would probably be the most balanced and fun season in the game.

On topic: S5 was probably even less balanced, in the sense that a couple of specs dominated everything else to the point that playing without them was pointless. However I think S5 was more fun than this season. It's currently unbalanced in a very non fun way, it's just boring to feel useless until you stack all your CDs and try to randomly destroy something every few minutes.

Edited by Thaya, 24 November 2012 - 11:33 AM.

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#18 Necrolina

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 11:44 AM

View PostThaya, on 24 November 2012 - 11:33 AM, said:

On topic: S5 was probably even less balanced, in the sense that a couple of specs dominated everything else to the point that playing without them was pointless. However I think S5 was more fun than this season. It's currently unbalanced in a very non fun way, it's just boring to feel useless until you stack all your CDs and try to randomly destroy something every few minutes.

Pretty much this. This season is not THAT far away from being balanced, there are a couple of speccs that are retarded, sure, but when has it ever been different? The problem is that a lot of speccs, whether they are good right now or not, feel extremely dull and boring to play and that clearly is something that has not really been a problem (not on such a scale anyway) up until now.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 12:03 PM

View PostKeddy, on 24 November 2012 - 11:21 AM, said:

RLS - No worse than what is running rampant atm.
Vial - Lost most influence after nerf.
Cunning - Didn't seem to be that influential in 3s tbh
Rmp openers - So you were doing what for pretty much every season?
Triple DPS - Random fotm cheese comp that is now weak and outdated. Reminds me of Beastcleave.

You can't use entirely subjective topics to base your opinion, that's just ignorant. ;p

You seem to be trying really hard to defend cataclysm which of course I'm guessing is because thats where your titles are from (not an insult, many people just seem to enjoy the season they have the most success in). That said cataclysm was an awful expansion especially season 11. 10 had some potential if the ladders weren't so fucked. Haven't played mop though so I can't comment, but Wotlk still best expansion imo excluding s5.

Edited by Jackow, 24 November 2012 - 12:04 PM.


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Posted 24 November 2012 - 01:04 PM

MoP isn't that bad tbh, at least since the first wave of hot fixes to retarded stuff like stampede.
5.1 will make things a lot better, too.

People just tend to focus on the negative sides and peoples memory of "ancient" addons is biased as fuck.





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