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#21 vacantt

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 04:37 AM

agree with most of the points in that thread.  and like other people said, the retarded concept of affliction being a single target spec due to dots doing quite literally nothing to targets that arent being mg'd and haunted really needs to be fixed. something along the lines of this plus a few other suggestions would definitely start to bring the spec up to speed:

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1) Introduce a glyph that reduces MG damage but increases dot damage, make it work out as a slight DPS loss in PvE simulations. They already did this with the Imp Swarm glyph for demo - this is exactly how it's like there, and nobody uses it in PvE, while its a core glyph in PvP.

also, a lot of people are offering suggestions based around gosac and to be honest i really don't like that idea especially since i spent so much time perfecting pet positioning and whatnot. not arguing though, if that's what's gonna fix the spec i'll take whatever i can get.

Edited by vacantt, 25 November 2012 - 05:27 AM.


#22 Snackumz

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 09:22 AM

i just wanna brew

#23 Kaylol

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 10:37 AM

Give this man a blunt

#24 Natokni

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 02:40 PM

View PostKazot, on 21 November 2012 - 08:46 PM, said:

I think reducing the range of bloodfear by like 50% would be a more elegant solution to this problem and make the talent more of a choice than a requirement.

This is actually an amazing way to nerf blood fear, its still the same but you cant mindlessly fear healers that are max ranging praying a blood fear isnt coming there way under all this pressure.

#25 Breez

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 02:52 PM

View PostNatokni, on 25 November 2012 - 02:40 PM, said:

This is actually an amazing way to nerf blood fear, its still the same but you cant mindlessly fear healers that are max ranging praying a blood fear isnt coming there way under all this pressure.
No, thats just terrible way to fix blood fear. They have to remove instant fear, not make it weaker/stronger.
Or just make it so bad, that no one will ever use it.

Edited by Breez, 25 November 2012 - 03:01 PM.


#26 saffie

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 05:19 PM

View PostNatokni, on 25 November 2012 - 02:40 PM, said:

This is actually an amazing way to nerf blood fear, its still the same but you cant mindlessly fear healers that are max ranging praying a blood fear isnt coming there way under all this pressure.
Agreed. But I'd personally like it more if ring of frost, psyfiend, pom and pretty much any kind of instant unavoidable cc getting nerfed along with blood fear being completely removed/reworked into something else.

#27 Draakex

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 05:26 PM

View Postsaffie, on 25 November 2012 - 05:19 PM, said:


Agreed. But I'd personally like it more if ring of frost, psyfiend, pom and pretty much any kind of instant unavoidable cc getting nerfed along with blood fear being completely removed/reworked into something else.
RoF is getting nerfed (higher CD)
Psyfiend also (higher cast-time, lower health)
if i remember correctly

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#28 saffie

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 05:57 PM

View PostDraakex, on 25 November 2012 - 05:26 PM, said:

RoF is getting nerfed (higher CD)
Psyfiend also (higher cast-time, lower health)
if i remember correctly

not close to being enough. the fact that you can pom poly or rof is kinda retarded as well. Unfortunatly the game is about instant casts and instant ccs right now, mostly because there being way too much control to get any casts of especially vs warrior comps.

I would actually like playing with unbound will.

#29 Poseyx

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 07:30 PM

I support, i am sick of all these scumbag mongoloid demos running around, RID AZEROTH OF THEM!!!!!!!!
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#30 Chizzey

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 08:49 PM

wtb affliction buff and hugenerf to the other speccs

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 08:56 PM

wtb bloodfer 30 sec cd

Edited by drakuru, 25 November 2012 - 08:56 PM.

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#32 Bonjourhihi

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 02:12 PM

I stopped playing my lock because affliction is useless now and i don't want to play demo.

You guys should stop dreaming, they won't buff affliction because it's already good in pve. Affliction MoP is a pve spec, that's all.
Destro isn't viable
Demo after the nerf is gonna be pretty shit i guess ?

We also have a very shitty final talent, archimonde's vengeance ? fucking useless lol

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Blood Fear should be reworked to;
"Your fear is instant when used against a unit who has inflicted physical damage on you in the past 5 sec."
gl hf for casting a fear with all those fucking cc/interrupt

Edited by Bonjourhihi, 26 November 2012 - 04:03 PM.


#33 lazeyx

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 07:17 PM

the only solution to really fix the blood fear issue would be to remove to talent completely and move howl of terror in its place instead.
maybe reduce the casttime of fear by a little bit

#34 saffie

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:39 PM

View Postlazeyx, on 26 November 2012 - 07:17 PM, said:

the only solution to really fix the blood fear issue would be to remove to talent completely and move howl of terror in its place instead.
maybe reduce the casttime of fear by a little bit

This is what I'm thinking as well, swap the talents so that we can pick 2 out of 3 of the second tier but give up blood fear.

#35 Nadagast

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 11:10 PM

Has anyone played Affliction in 5.1?  Is it any better with all the nerfs?

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 01:06 AM

View PostNadagast, on 27 November 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

Has anyone played Affliction in 5.1?  Is it any better with all the nerfs?

hopefully, can't get my game to launch though :(

#37 Eiviyn

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:52 AM

View PostNadagast, on 27 November 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

Has anyone played Affliction in 5.1?  Is it any better with all the nerfs?

Please someone say yes. I can't stand demo and destro feels more like praying to the gods that nobody notices me glowing like the sun and casting a 3 sec spell.

#38 brosearch

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 09:08 AM

its not possible for it to be better. dmg is unchanged. dispel protection is unchanged. we are actually more fragile now as afflic because of the nerf to curse of enfeeblement.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 11:31 AM

From the games I did get to play, it seemed pretty bad to mediocre.  Dark Soul is the only time my damage feels real, but it does feel pretty real during that time (although I was playing Sacrifice, so a more standard build would have less single target in dark soul).

Unfortunately, as people learn how to counter Affliction Dark Soul, (dispel the dots!) the effectiveness will go down, and I don't think it's strong enough to withstand people learning about it, like old Demo was.

Warlock damage outside of Dark Soul needs to be doubled.  Blood Fear needs to go, and Dark Soul needs a 30-50% nerf.  Remove all on-use-damage PvP trinkets from the game, and you'd probably have a good+fun class.

I feel like making a thread about removing on-use-damage PvP trinkets from the game, but I dunno man.  I think I've lost hope.  That'd be the #1 best change that could happen for the overall health of the game, IMO.  They might as well change the text of the on-use to: "While doing 50% more damage, you do an additional 20% more damage."  I fucking hate it.

Edited by Nadagast, 28 November 2012 - 11:35 AM.


#40 Moreudirl

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 11:40 AM

we were 2450-2500 pre mmr exploit all season with shinanigans playing affliction exclusively.... admittedly this is because moonkins are a little over the top this expac (in addition to being on a "non bg 9 bg"), moonKINGS are the best kept secret in wow. (i was on my shaman ofc)

let me say affliction is a miserable spec at the moment. the damage is pitiful even with cooldowns popped, and they are a nightmare to heal... compared to self healing of destro or just tankiness of demon form. It is manageable but hardly worth the effort haha

affliction needs a lot of help, i dont even know where to start... i can ask nanigans to comment as to how he feels the spec is, as hes played that spec in 99% of arena matches this season

Edited by Moreudirl, 28 November 2012 - 11:41 AM.





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