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#201 stcolbert

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 04:41 AM

View PostKakio, on 23 November 2012 - 03:10 AM, said:

i have stated fucking 50 times i dont agree with or support hamas. My point is just that israel are fucking bad aswell and it has been the entire time which is why I find myself repeating myself over and over. I dont agree with hamas or israel however hamas is a terrorist group so im not putting the same standards to them as to israel as a country. Israel is expected to behave a certain way where as im expecting hamas to be murdering scumbag terrorists because that is what they are. Israel however can do better and should do better.
Reminder... this is how you started off the thread.

No one was saying Israel is completely innocent yet you kept saying "people didn't want to listen or open their eyes"- even though supposedly you were saying the same thing.......hmmmm

View PostKakio, on 20 November 2012 - 12:06 PM, said:

I have to side with palestine here (THAT KINDA SOUNDS LIKE SUPPORT BRO>>>JUST SAYING). I mean isreal is acting like that retarded kid with a big brother 5 years older saying he will beat up anyone who touches his brother. Isreal then goes around doing whatever the fuck he wants knowing he will always have his big brother(s) there to protect him.

I mean wtf would happen if hamas decided to assasinate isreal's president(suggesting Hamas and Israel are the same...lol) nobody would say "ohh its ok he terrorized loads of muslims and bombed shitloads of people during his command" they would say "THIS IS TERRORISM, KILL ALL MUSLIMS BLAH BLAH BLAH"

well, why isnt that being said about isreal right now??

View PostKakio, on 20 November 2012 - 04:14 PM, said:

when his government under his orders are ordering people killed and the spread of terror through violence then im pretty sure he is the head of a terrorist organization. (UGHHHHH, once again, saying they are the same)

Im just saying that Isreal is doing as much terrorist action as hamas and the middle east are doing, they are just getting away with it and getting a pat on the back which is fucking retarded. I mean loads of people in america consider most of the US to be terrorists. That doesnt give them the right to start bombing fucking houses to kill high ranking people in the US army.

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#202 Shaylá

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 09:57 AM

Why you people still take Kakio serious is beyond me, he has proven multiple times that he doesn't have a single clue what he's talking about

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 10:36 AM

palestine=/=hamas. Some palestinian people support hamas but that does not mean all palestinians or even close to that so thats a pretty important distinction to make. And pretty much the only person ive been disagreeing with throguh out this thread is bloodriot who is the person who keeps saying israel are innocent, that they dont intend to kill civilians and all these other bogus statements.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 11:21 AM

View PostKakio, on 23 November 2012 - 10:36 AM, said:

palestine=/=hamas. Some palestinian people support hamas but that does not mean all palestinians or even close to that so thats a pretty important distinction to make.


Ughhh I already covered this a few posts ago.

View Poststcolbert, on 23 November 2012 - 02:54 AM, said:

That has not been your general tone at all in this thread, if it was, I would not be arguing with you.  I think you even mentioned at one point you'd rather stand behind Palestine therefor Hamas rather than Israel in this situation (and don't say Palestine =/= Hamas, if you are willing to use Israel's name rather than the IDF). Furthermore you just summed up Hamas' rocket barrages as "not that bad".  

Many modernized countries would do much much worst (just look at the US for example).  You'd expect more from them then some terrorist group who have no standards?  Me too, and their standards are far and beyond Hamas' so I don't know what your point is.

Tbh just the change of your tone since the beginning of this thread has made this thread worthwhile.  I believe you are starting to see the bigger picture, even though you still are coming off extremely stubborn. That is something that almost never happens on here.  Agreeing that Hamas is worst than the IDF was my main goal, and it seems we are  on the same page now, so not much more to discuss.

Hamas was elected and voted in by the majority of Palestinians the same way the Israeli government was, so no, once again, you are inconsistent, completely bias and hypocritical. I would really just stop if I were you.

View PostKakio, on 23 November 2012 - 10:36 AM, said:

And pretty much the only person ive been disagreeing with throguh out this thread is bloodriot who is the person who keeps saying israel are innocent, that they dont intend to kill civilians and all these other bogus statements.
Pretty sure you were talking to more people than just bloodriot, look at your posts... and also bloodriot said nothing of the sort.

I even gave you an analogy and an explanation so you could understand why he took issue with you using the word willingly.  I'll quote again.


View Poststcolbert, on 23 November 2012 - 02:22 AM, said:



Understand that "knowingly" and "willingly" are two different things.

What bloodriot is trying to say is that Israel DOES NOT WANT to kill citizens and tries to avoid this from happening (something that Hamas couldn't give two shits about).  If the citizens refuse to vacate and listen to their instructions ofcourse they know there is a high probability they are going to be killed but their hands are tied... you can only do so much.

Kakio, You have just developed penis cancer.  This cancer will probably spread and cause death, so it's advised you should cut your penis off.  Would you walk around telling everyone you willingly cut your own penis off? or that you reluctantly had to.

Think about that for a moment.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 11:31 AM

View PostKakio, on 23 November 2012 - 10:36 AM, said:

palestine=/=hamas. Some palestinian people support hamas but that does not mean all palestinians or even close to that so thats a pretty important distinction to make. And pretty much the only person ive been disagreeing with throguh out this thread is bloodriot who is the person who keeps saying israel are innocent, that they dont intend to kill civilians and all these other bogus statements.
lol

It's like you literally don't read a single post before you reply
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#206 Reliuna

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 03:36 PM

so sweet and so true
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Posted 23 November 2012 - 03:40 PM

I'm not sure what Israel would like the Palestinians to do, if they agreed not to fight. What is Israel's ideal outcome?

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 03:47 PM

all you dimwitted cunts that are arguing about pointless shit; i hope you develop RSI and arthritis

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 04:01 PM

View Postmethodman2, on 23 November 2012 - 03:47 PM, said:

all you dimwitted cunts that are arguing about pointless shit; i hope you develop RSI and arthritis

so sweet and so true
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Posted 23 November 2012 - 04:22 PM

View Postmethodman2, on 23 November 2012 - 03:47 PM, said:

all you dimwitted cunts that are arguing about pointless shit; i hope you develop RSI and arthritis

Are you suffering? It's okay to end it, you know...

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 04:50 PM

View PostReliuna, on 23 November 2012 - 03:36 PM, said:

so sweet and so true

so fresh and so clean


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Posted 23 November 2012 - 07:25 PM

View PostBuglamp, on 23 November 2012 - 04:50 PM, said:

so fresh and so clean



so sweet and so true
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Posted 25 November 2012 - 07:11 PM

Why doesn't anyone agree that both sides have been doing some pretty awful stuff, and that this vicious cycle only continues because each side justifies their actions because of previous actions from the other side? There's never going to be peace if we continue to polarize ourselves towards "Israel" (Netanyahu's government) or "Palestine" (Hamas). Quotation marks are intentionally used in this case.

Who cares about who is more in the right? It's a stupid moot point. Both countries are engulfing the area into bloodshed, and until we either replace these governments or force them into actually protecting the prosperity of their respective people by coming to an agreement, then we will never find peace in this area. Since the United States has huge amounts of influence in this area, and much of the current situation is the result of our actions in the Middle East, either we're obligated to solve the problems we've created, or it's time to finally back away and stop trying to control the lives of people in other nations.


Do any of you really think the Israeli people, or the Palestinian people, are any more special? Why should a human life be weighted more than the other?

I haven't seen anyone, on any issue regarding recent events in Israel/Palestine, talk about alternatives to peace, only reasons to justify the ignoble actions of their respective governments... which almost always fail to correlate with the best interests of the population at large.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 09:01 PM

View PostFTRouslan, on 25 November 2012 - 07:11 PM, said:

Why doesn't anyone agree that both sides have been doing some pretty awful stuff,

i believe everyone agrees with that?
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Posted 25 November 2012 - 09:04 PM

View PostReliuna, on 25 November 2012 - 09:01 PM, said:


i believe everyone agrees with that?
ye i think i said this on first or second page

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 09:31 PM

There's never going to be peace anyway when one side just wants to kill the other side. Alternatives to peace that don't involve bloodshed? I'm interested to hear.
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Posted 25 November 2012 - 11:09 PM

View PostFTRouslan, on 25 November 2012 - 07:11 PM, said:

Why doesn't anyone agree that both sides have been doing some pretty awful stuff, and that this vicious cycle only continues because each side justifies their actions because of previous actions from the other side?

"They are both bad, okay"

This sort of talk doesn't make for an interesting conversation now, does it?
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:26 PM

View PostBloodriot, on 25 November 2012 - 11:09 PM, said:

"They are both bad, okay"

This sort of talk doesn't make for an interesting conversation now, does it?

So basically the whole point of this thread was to prove an ignorant opinion that ultimately was as useless, if not more useless, than my previous post?

Nothing constructive to this debate AT ALL. I hope you realized you wasted your time coming up with your stupid thoughts.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:43 PM

h8ers gonna h8 mods can suck it
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 12:30 AM

View PostBloodriot, on 29 November 2012 - 09:43 PM, said:

h8ers gonna h8 mods can suck it

Did you come up with that one by yourself? Or did having to actually understand what's going on in Palestine prove to be too much of an arduous task for you to handle?




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