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#261 Enigmz

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 11:17 AM

View PostGuizado, on 18 November 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

U know what I was actually thinking after the 2nd game that if they swapped Shamans YasPresent would have had it.

On the Loosers Second Bracket Zunnyaki was always with much more mana then the other Team playing MLS, on this matchup Kollectiv's manas was always far ahead.
I guess thats also due that Zunnyaki plays a priest so.

maybe because destro lock is horrible compare to demo lock

#262 phishy

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 11:20 AM

what i got out of this tourney:

fear is so good that shamans instantly become the best healer because of a totem
mages and demo locks can solo people
as retarded as warriors are, they are still no match for caster cleaves
this game is going to suck for awhile if blizzard doesnt reduce healing and the effectiveness of cooldowns by at least 30%

#263 inkorperated

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 11:21 AM

View Postphishy, on 18 November 2012 - 11:20 AM, said:

what i got out of this tourney:

fear is so good that shamans instantly become the best healer because of a totem
mages and demo locks can solo people
as retarded as warriors are, they are still no match for caster cleaves
this game is going to suck for awhile if blizzard doesnt reduce healing and the effectiveness of cooldowns by at least 30%

ya reduce healing more that'll fix shamans being the best healer

#264 Twocat

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 11:23 AM

View Postphishy, on 18 November 2012 - 11:20 AM, said:

as retarded as warriors are, they are still no match for caster cleaves
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 11:23 AM

View Postinkorperated, on 18 November 2012 - 11:21 AM, said:

ya reduce healing more that'll fix shamans being the best healer
Ill still play with disc priests no matter what :)

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 11:25 AM

MOP took the core problems of cooldownaclysm and managed to make them even worse from what I saw. Regardless of how stupid it was, it was pretty entertaining to see people get one shotted. Some of those kills made "DOWN GOES VENRUKI" look like it was the epitome of balance.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 11:31 AM

View Postinkorperated, on 18 November 2012 - 11:21 AM, said:

ya reduce healing more that'll fix shamans being the best healer

gj reading

fix shamans by nerfing tremor(and some other stuff)
fix this reliance on cds for dmg by reducing healing and reducing offensive cds

Edited by phishy, 18 November 2012 - 11:31 AM.


#268 phishy

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 11:34 AM

View PostROKMODE, on 18 November 2012 - 11:25 AM, said:

MOP took the core problems of cooldownaclysm and managed to make them even worse from what I saw. Regardless of how stupid it was, it was pretty entertaining to see people get one shotted. Some of those kills made "DOWN GOES VENRUKI" look like it was the epitome of balance.

i agree. i was seriously hoping for a 5tfb one shot to just end one or even better 3 of the games so that zunni's team could win even while playing from behind 90% of each match just to show how retarded this shit has become

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 11:43 AM

View Postphishy, on 18 November 2012 - 11:31 AM, said:

gj reading

fix shamans by nerfing tremor(and some other stuff)
fix this reliance on cds for dmg by reducing healing and reducing offensive cds
the nerfed the healing alrdy

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 11:45 AM

View Postphishy, on 18 November 2012 - 11:20 AM, said:

what i got out of this tourney:

fear is so good that shamans instantly become the best healer because of a totem
mages and demo locks can solo people
as retarded as warriors are, they are still no match for caster cleaves
this game is going to suck for awhile if blizzard doesnt reduce healing and the effectiveness of cooldowns by at least 30%

You are aware that cara went there as a ret pala, and pretty much started to play warrior recently right? I mean he played great, very impressed but this happened mostly because people qualified on cata and played the tournement on mop.

Do you think snutz would have won this easily otherwise? If the qualifications were on mop as well, there would be a hell lot of more warriors, hunters and mage/shadow priest teams. The fact that they lost in the finals doesn't mean at all that warriors are not superior.

If anything another/zunn and cara are the real champions of this tournement, they all changed their main classes and apart from another the other 2 had never played their new classes before mop yet they managed to get to the finals.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 11:47 AM

Snutz is amazing player, he totally deserves it.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 11:48 AM

cara played rlyy nice

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 12:53 PM

View PostRegent, on 17 November 2012 - 04:21 AM, said:

Reckful is literally any Asian woman's dream: tall, white, long brown hair, undeniably charming face. Reckful is getting laaaaayed.
My God dude, every thread I open you got 5+ posts in it..
Can you just not post or try to make one good post, just to see if it's possible?

#274 Anjinsan

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 04:02 PM

View PostDjandawg, on 18 November 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:

My God dude, every thread I open you got 5+ posts in it..
Can you just not post or try to make one good post, just to see if it's possible?
And every thread i open i see people giving regent shit for that one thread where he talked shit.
fuck leave the guy alone already.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 04:19 PM

View Postsaffie, on 18 November 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

If anything another/zunn and cara are the real champions of this tournement, they all changed their main classes and apart from another the other 2 had never played their new classes before mop yet they managed to get to the finals.

THIS

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 04:45 PM

View PostTwocat, on 18 November 2012 - 10:52 AM, said:

Except for the fact that snutz, kollektiv, and venruki have consistently been some of the best players throughout the games history since what, TBC(kollektiv at least)?
You act as if they wouldn't have had a chance even if ret/dk/disc was OP.

Surprise, the winner of blizzcon isn't always the best players, it's the people who play the best comp the best.
Venruki was a tournament player since tbc, no? i am not sure ~_~
Another was though as a mage, i can recall that much.
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#277 Guizado

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 07:03 PM

View Postinfectionx, on 18 November 2012 - 04:45 PM, said:

Venruki was a tournament player since tbc, no? i am not sure ~_~
Another was though as a mage, i can recall that much.

Yeah Pretty sure, back to the DOOM SQUAD / ZOMBIE time, where they at the time afaik Another played with O'RLY, and BOOZT or something in tourneys.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 07:20 PM

This championship was a joke imo. being that all the teams have qualified during cata so it put some teams at a clear disadvantage (look at the rogue teams) while making other team compositions that did not get affected rather get a boost from mop (see snutz team) a clear advantage over anyone else. It was obvious that they were going to win, blizzard basically gifted the world championship to snutz's team by releasing mop and teams that have easily beaten them like cdews team just got screwed by MoP.

Really the tournement shouldve been based on cateclysm, the expansion that everyone QUALIfied in

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 07:21 PM

Zom but ye :P
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 10:06 PM

View Postsaffie, on 18 November 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

You are aware that cara went there as a ret pala, and pretty much started to play warrior recently right? I mean he played great, very impressed but this happened mostly because people qualified on cata and played the tournement on mop.

Do you think snutz would have won this easily otherwise? If the qualifications were on mop as well, there would be a hell lot of more warriors, hunters and mage/shadow priest teams. The fact that they lost in the finals doesn't mean at all that warriors are not superior.

If anything another/zunn and cara are the real champions of this tournement, they all changed their main classes and apart from another the other 2 had never played their new classes before mop yet they managed to get to the finals.

i know he was a ret and that their whole team was basically playing on alts when they were playing warr/mage/sham because their main comp is bad in MoP. I agree with you completely. It is dumb that blizzard has the cata tourney qualifiers end up in the championships in a brand new, imbalanced expansion.

I think warriors are, by themselves, the most overpowered class right now. but the most overpowered comp seems to be caster cleave simply because demo and mages are almost as silly as warriors. it's also probably because warriors have always had a little trouble against caster cleave, so that even with as good as they are, it's still tough to overcome. still, it was just a tournament and we can't just believe it's a direct correlation of true balance, but just a general look at it.

zunni and co. did as best as they could playing alts vs people on their mains. all it really came down to(as it often does in wow) was who's main class is stronger than the other. sure would have been nice to see them play dk/ret/priest in cata for the finals instead :(




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