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#161 spaceship

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 03:59 AM

View PostNerfmytotems, on 16 November 2012 - 03:36 AM, said:

This....

And here I was thinking you'd be for a totem nerf...

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:31 AM

Its ok, you come out of 5sec stun followed by 5 sec blanket vs shatter or another 10sec+ controls, where you take damage like shit and nothing you can do - after all you have like 5-35% (or dead) and you can heal to full... jk - you must use at least unleash before NS, or you can use your imba totems... BUT WAIT its execute phase - you dead bro.
OR
you in that cc, instant cc, 12+sec, as khuna said - you ll have all that awesome CD's - but you'll never use them, coz after all you got no shield on your teammate (nobody cares, that for those big heals you must spend 3 gcd earth shield +20% - riptide (+25%crit) -unleash +70% heal - now you can heal for 250k if crit on low hp mate).

Next thing - tremor, i dont think its imbalanced(without talant + destroy thing), every class come with special tools, you can whine about druids (especialy feral) in the same way - you cant poly them (root and slow). The only way tremor imbalanced - coz you have too many instant fears, you cant los them by all healers, so shamans can avoid 1 fear every minute(dont like that talent) take out tremor, but let them cast all those fears.

If that "nerf" come out - you'll see rshamans as often as disc priests now. Blizz always take class\spec from shit to top or vice versa, who cares. just reroll to other healer. that shine in that patch.
Pallys is the way to go i think, you can assist, you can CC and heal while runing like a wind.

P.S. no offence, sry fo shit engl =)

Edited by Force, 16 November 2012 - 04:39 AM.


#163 Kruschpak

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:35 AM

just curious can we still tremor when feared?

because if not I'll have to cancel 4 accounts

#164 Cptbadass

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:50 AM

Finally! now nerf demo locks pls :>

Edited by henkkaton, 16 November 2012 - 04:55 AM.


#165 Nerfmytotems

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:58 AM

View Postspaceship, on 16 November 2012 - 03:59 AM, said:

And here I was thinking you'd be for a totem nerf...

lol

Yeah i have had this name since BC :)

i do miss my disease cleansing totem and poison cleansing totem :( lol

#166 moistlol

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 05:16 AM

I just played a game vs War/Rogue/Druid and came to the conclusion that it would be impossible for me to stay alive vs this comp if this change actually goes through. Imo make it so we can't use totems if we get locked, having to trinket garrote just so i can get full kidneyed is retarded.

#167 Xhanon

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 05:18 AM

View PostNerfmytotems, on 16 November 2012 - 04:58 AM, said:

lol

Yeah i have had this name since BC :)

i do miss my disease cleansing totem and poison cleansing totem :( lol
want my old school windfury totem back

#168 ApplejackxD

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 08:20 AM

View PostNerfmytotems, on 15 November 2012 - 09:39 PM, said:

I agree resto needs a little bit of a tone down, but now i wont even be able to play Elemental.

Expansion of hope for elemental and other class balances...

Sadly i think this is what it has come to....

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Stop being a bitch. Fotm's comes and goes but shaman have probably been the class that has been good or too good more than any other class, now that you finally get a nerf you quit the game and start whining like your no-life is over? DEAL WITH IT! It's obvious that if it turns out to be too big of a nerf Blizzard will hear about it from people crying like you, only you are on the wrong forum crying! Man up and if you decide to quit the game, we don't give a rats ass about it so don't even tell us.
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#169 ApplejackxD

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 08:21 AM

View PostKruschpak, on 16 November 2012 - 04:35 AM, said:

just curious can we still tremor when feared?

because if not I'll have to cancel 4 accounts

Pretty sure that's the whole point of tremor you crazy lil multiboxer ;)
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 08:24 AM

daaang mvposey goin HAM in here

View PostNerfmytotems, on 15 November 2012 - 10:27 PM, said:

Just think of all the melee cleaves now that will have guaranteed wins vs shamans

omg I can't wait!

but tbh - it won't go live like this.  Hopefully they don't revert the totem changes at all and just give shaman some kind of ACTIVE damage reduction like barkskin, not astral shift.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 08:50 AM

View PostApplejackxD, on 16 November 2012 - 08:20 AM, said:

Stop being a bitch. Fotm's comes and goes but shaman have probably been the class that has been good or too good more than any other class, now that you finally get a nerf you quit the game and start whining like your no-life is over? DEAL WITH IT! It's obvious that if it turns out to be too big of a nerf Blizzard will hear about it from people crying like you, only you are on the wrong forum crying! Man up and if you decide to quit the game, we don't give a rats ass about it so don't even tell us.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 09:32 AM

Already getting tunneled by melee cleaves, finally meeting wizards to have a game where i can like you know, do stuff other than constantly running, jk totemnerf to buff godcomp. Its not like they had trouble killing me with ES being so easly dispelled and losing 20% of my healing straight up

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 09:39 AM

View PostDakkrothy, on 15 November 2012 - 12:05 AM, said:

im not gonna sit here and defend shamans but that change officially made them BY FAR the easiest healer to kill for any rogue caster comp. You can BARELY survive the stun openers, now with a garrote + a dr'd garrote... how the hell are you gonna survive? Shamans needed fixes, but this is over the top imo. GL&HF shamans surviving anything.

lets not even get started at how much worse ele shammy survival will become either.


gawd, gotta play something silly like double healer warr in order to even survive... oh wait :X




Prediction - RMP & possibly RPS will dominate the brackets, this is a HUGE rogue buff add godmode comp to that also, almost dying in every single deep freeze switch, now with addition of a 5 sec spriest silence followed up LaaawwLLllll GL
arent hpalas in same sittuation?no?

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 09:51 AM

View Postflubbah, on 15 November 2012 - 03:06 AM, said:

I don't think ppl understand that it's not rly the shaman being too good, but other healers being too weak.
why every1 that plays its own class thinks that his class is totally balanced still wonder

#175 Nihi

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 10:05 AM

I wish they would change tremor totem to how it used to work.

Having to keep tremor up before getting feared made the class more fun to play

Up to the point where slt was introduced, shamans always struggeled with survivability. Why nerf survivability in a game where damage and healing is completely out of control and 1shots take place frequently






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Posted 16 November 2012 - 10:14 AM

The comparison with other healers needs to made is with school locks/silences:
Can you bubble while locked?
Can you void shift while silenced?
Can other healers dispel aoe fear while silenced?
Can other healers prevent someone with low health from dying when they are silenced?

The answer is no.
Then why the healer with the most efficient heals, best healing spells and strongest arena cooldowns should be immune to the game mechanics?

This is long overdue and I am glad they made it.


Also, it's such a huge coincidence that all shamans took this day to post about how unfair getting killed as healer in a stun+silence is, considering the fact that this has been happening to non shaman healers for years. Was it okay until today because:
a ) your team was delivering it?
b ) your class was well protected against it?
c ) all shaman healers on AJ got their mind synchronized and noticed this unfairness about getting killed in stun+silence?

Edited by Djandawg, 16 November 2012 - 11:07 AM.


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Posted 16 November 2012 - 11:56 AM

Rshamans really do need nerfs, but ye like many already mentioned that change is just way too harsh rofl..

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:10 PM

View PostDjandawg, on 16 November 2012 - 10:14 AM, said:

The comparison with other healers needs to made is with school locks/silences:
Can you bubble while locked?
Can you void shift while silenced?
Can other healers dispel aoe fear while silenced?
Can other healers prevent someone with low health from dying when they are silenced?


You're clearly cherry picking here.  You choose to leave out the fact that paladins can bubble silence/stuns, priests can pain suppress during stuns (and spectral guise), and druids can barksin during stuns and displace beast during silences.  I am unaware of healer monk abilities during stun/silence, but I'm fairly certain they have some sort of defense while stunned.

I'm not going to argue that shamans aren't currently the best healer, because they certainly are.  But as others have argued, being able to drop totems during silence isn't the problem.  Healing output, tremor totem (especially with totemic restoration), and double offensive dispel are the obvious problems from my perspective.  Also, as most shamans have stated, I would have no problem with totems being unusable during lockouts, but unusable during silences is definitely over the top.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 01:05 PM

why dont they just nerf shaman mastery or the lev 90 unleash talent ... this change is pretty massive :x

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 01:37 PM

curious as to what will happen if this goes live how the meta game will shift and how not.
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