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#1 Minpojke

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 03:09 AM

If you want maximum healing output without sacrificing spirit, gem your hands & belt with 80 int & 160 pvp power and your shoulders with 80 intellect & 160 mastery to gain the intellect bonus and in every other slot you gem 160 int. Reforge ur haste to mastery if your play with the blooming glyph

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#2 Furioni

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 08:09 PM

dam that's barely anything, time to get those int gems!

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Grow some balls and come get slained and stick the 5's bracket.
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#3 Remade

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 06:36 AM

Thanks for the info, helped alot

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 12:44 PM

I guess u'll use that kind of gear against bm hunters and bullshit like that, but against some proper comps isn't spirit more valuable for you lord pojke?

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 01:26 PM

View PostEnigmz, on 15 October 2012 - 12:44 PM, said:

I guess u'll use that kind of gear against bm hunters and bullshit like that, but against some proper comps isn't spirit more valuable for you lord pojke?

Well yeah obviously spirit is very valuable right now and in most situations its better but the point with this post was that i wanted to know whats best either pvp power or int
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:13 AM

Would you say that Int would be better for all healers? Haven't had a chance to check out the difference for Shamans but I'm assuming it would be better overall for everyone?

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:57 AM

Keep in mind return on pvp power will be greater the more int you acquire.  Most people are hanging around 9,500~10,000 int in full dreadlful gear.  At 12,000~13,000 int ranges, +1% of pvp power will yield a lot more.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 03:02 AM

View PostMenc, on 16 October 2012 - 02:13 AM, said:

Would you say that Int would be better for all healers? Haven't had a chance to check out the difference for Shamans but I'm assuming it would be better overall for everyone?

I agree with Noxxic's current ranging system.  Would be interesting to hear what other experienced arena players think.  Thank you Minpojke for crunching some numbers for raw output in current gear.


For reference, Noxxic's recommendations:

Spell Hit (6%) > PvP Power > Intellect > PvP Resilience > Spirit > Haste > Crit > Mastery

http://www.noxxic.co...n/stat-priority

PS pvp power also buffs your dps on assist, which is clutch for druids due to current state of heart of the wild.

#9 Minpojke

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 03:09 AM

View PostHackattack3, on 16 October 2012 - 02:57 AM, said:

Keep in mind return on pvp power will be greater the more int you acquire.  Most people are hanging around 9,500~10,000 int in full dreadlful gear.  At 12,000~13,000 int ranges, +1% of pvp power will yield a lot more.


No, this was tried in full t2 gear on the tournament realm thats where i came the the conclusion that int -> pvp power the entire season out.

Also in full t2 gear you will never run oom in 3v3 games so the best way to gem is the way i explained earlier unless you like to run with alot of resil etc.

I also dont see what the difference would be with other healers and rdruids i guess everything scales the same and that way int should be best for every healer? also one thing i forgot to add to the main post is that if you play with the Glyph of Blooming theres no reason to go for the 4229 haste cap since you will only get out 12 lifebloom ticks out of 17 so what you want to do is to aim for 2850 haste to get the 11th tick and then go full out mastery! hope this helps :)
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 03:10 AM

View PostHackattack3, on 16 October 2012 - 03:02 AM, said:

I agree with Noxxic's current ranging system.  Would be interesting to hear what other experienced arena players think.  Thank you Minpojke for crunching some numbers for raw output in current gear.


For reference, Noxxic's recommendations:

Spell Hit (6%) > PvP Power > Intellect > PvP Resilience > Spirit > Haste > Crit > Mastery

http://www.noxxic.co...n/stat-priority

PS pvp power also buffs your dps on assist, which is clutch for druids due to current state of heart of the wild.

Theres no reason to pick pvp power over int just because of the current state of heart of the wild, its going to get nerfed soon and 90% of the time ur healing anyways and using heart of the wild in 3s is limited to the comps ur running aswell
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 03:56 AM

Is this with the mastery buff active/Heart of the wild talent for 6% int?

Edited by kenney1111, 16 October 2012 - 03:57 AM.


#12 Minpojke

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 04:05 AM

View Postkenney1111, on 16 October 2012 - 03:56 AM, said:

Is this with the mastery buff active/Heart of the wild talent for 6% int?

none of them
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 04:18 AM

Weird, i got motw/hotw and i cant get those numbers with full int stack
testing on tr.

How much int / pvp power did you have during these tests? How low was your resil
What chest enchant do you use? seems off to me .. wouldnt explain how you get those number w/o heart of the wild int

Edited by kenney1111, 16 October 2012 - 04:51 AM.


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Posted 16 October 2012 - 04:55 AM

dont get me wrong int seems better just seems like your testing is either flawed or a different variable lol cause if i drop hotw im about -200 ticks off your numbers w/ chest enchant and your gem setup =p

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 04:58 AM

View Postkenney1111, on 16 October 2012 - 04:55 AM, said:

dont get me wrong int seems better just seems like your testing is either flawed or a different variable lol cause if i drop hotw im about -200 ticks off your numbers w/ chest enchant and your gem setup =p

I did test with mark and now when i actually think about it theres a chance that i might have been heart specced but im not 100% sure

this was the setup i was using without an int trinket and full t2: http://eu.battle.net...Minpojke/simple

to be fair you almost never play without heart of the wild in arena and doubt you will after the nerf aswell

Edited by Minpojke, 16 October 2012 - 05:02 AM.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 05:07 AM

you linked your normal armory, can you link tr one?

#17 Minpojke

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:10 PM

View Postkenney1111, on 16 October 2012 - 05:07 AM, said:

you linked your normal armory, can you link tr one?

No cuz TR chars doesnt show up on armory but thats the exact gear setup i was running except its in t2
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:40 PM

View PostMinpojke, on 16 October 2012 - 04:58 AM, said:

I did test with mark and now when i actually think about it theres a chance that i might have been heart specced but im not 100% sure

this was the setup i was using without an int trinket and full t2: http://eu.battle.net...Minpojke/simple

to be fair you almost never play without heart of the wild in arena and doubt you will after the nerf aswell

What do your blooms/rejuv tick for on live with that gear? You have like nearly 3k more SP than me thats quite a bit but ive not really looked into min/maxing until now, im also at 60% ress instead of 55% maybe a bit overkill....

Also the spell reflect meta is so RNG but its pretty funny when i reflect a deep ect. 216 int vs 1 % reflect chance hmmm

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:50 PM

View PostHendie, on 16 October 2012 - 12:40 PM, said:

What do your blooms/rejuv tick for on live with that gear? You have like nearly 3k more SP than me thats quite a bit but ive not really looked into min/maxing until now, im also at 60% ress instead of 55% maybe a bit overkill....

Also the spell reflect meta is so RNG but its pretty funny when i reflect a deep ect. 216 int vs 1 % reflect chance hmmm

I havent done any theorycrafting on live but doesnt matter since you're going to be full t2 soon
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:07 PM

Just for clarification, when you did your "pvp power" and "full int" test, you either used all +160 int gems or all +320 pvp power gems correct?  Or did you still pickup the gloves/belt socket bonuses with int/pvp power?  

Your armory also shows Nature's Vigil.




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