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#21 mackazar

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 08:37 PM

just go disc its way better

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 11:17 PM

View Postmackazar, on 03 October 2012 - 08:37 PM, said:

just go disc its way better
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#23 Milanah_6538907

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:53 AM

View PostEmopandah, on 02 October 2012 - 04:43 PM, said:

In terms of pure dps yes but mastery allows you to get double mana back from VT ticks & more procs from DI & FDCL and really those proc's are what's going to be game changing.

Also regarding metas

http://www.wowhead.com/item=76888 432spirit & 3% crit dmg

http://www.wowhead.com/item=76885 216int & 3% crit dmg

We have always used the later meta but now non base stat's are doubled making it a possible option now, what's everyone's opinion on that.

I think the first meta is rather for PvE to reach your hitcap easier, in PvP tho i think we don't need it as i got my hitcap so far quite easily without really reforging hit. However it is definitely a possible choice if you need hit and dont want to reforge off haste/mastery.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 02:39 PM

@ Kelb

The math that guy has done are old and not that valid because it's just too simple how he does the mathematics.
In a Patchwork fight it does a bit more but can't tell the right value for this patch.
Back in August ( your post is from August) it was about  526 -180 = 346 and someone has
done a simulation at release where it was even a bit stronger at about 553 -180 = 373

Tailoring is even getting stronger with mutlidotting, also as you mentioned it's always good when it proccs for more burst or higher dot ticks with an exception of getting cc'ed then it's completly wasted. ( Don't forget that dispel has 8 sec cd so you are more cced !)

But anyway 30 int is nothing. The better question is what you take as 3rd stat: mastery or crit
I'll stick to mastery since it helps getting more instants casts.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 03:26 PM

Thanks for the clarification. I'm definitely going mastery, more procs, more mana/health. Wondering if I should gem haste after I have all the conquest gear for the 8085 cap though.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 03:55 PM

Tried to sim your char but does not work dunno why^^ ( since you have full gear.). The debate is really mastery vs crit. In Pve crit is better but don't know how much more dmg ( patchwork fight) it is for pvp.

As you also mentioned it is nice for proccs to get faster 3x orbs with high burst and vt ticks for mana. On the other hand it's shit when you have to offheal since a crit could safe a life.


Edit: Totally forgot that mastery gets better with multidotting.

Edited by drakuru, 04 October 2012 - 05:46 PM.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 12:09 AM

How about using engineering helm and 4x satin?

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 12:27 AM

View PostDjandawg, on 05 October 2012 - 12:09 AM, said:

How about using engineering helm and 4x satin?

No cause there is no PvP Power gem for the helm and the satin gloves aren't any good as shadow imo.

#29 drakuru

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 01:48 AM

Does someone has a chardev with full epic gear + weapons?
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Posted 07 October 2012 - 02:35 AM

View Postdrakuru, on 05 October 2012 - 01:48 AM, said:

Does someone has a chardev with full epic gear + weapons?

http://chardev.org/p...-Season-12.html - you could change the blue/prismatic gems to pure PvP Power.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 09:50 PM

Is there anything we get past the 12.5% haste mark? Should we reforge haste into mastery after that?

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 04:59 PM

View Postinkorperated, on 07 October 2012 - 09:50 PM, said:

Is there anything we get past the 12.5% haste mark? Should we reforge haste into mastery after that?

http://warcraft.twin...nts_550x100.png - You only got a breakpoint @9,99% after that you got 24,92%, which you won't be able to get in s12.

It's your choice tbh to reforge haste into mastery/crit, what suites you better for your setup/playstyle or go with max haste.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 05:06 PM

I went with full resi gems because I don't have time to do damage anyway with a BM hunter on the team

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 03:26 AM

I bought all haste offset items + mooncloth gloves, reforging all crit to mastery, got 24.45% mastery and 18.97% haste.
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Posted 22 October 2012 - 12:45 PM

View Postdrakuru, on 03 October 2012 - 10:39 AM, said:

Last time Ive done math I came accross that tailoring cloak enchant is worth about 370 int. So I'll stay with blacksmith/ tailoring mb switching to rocket
tailoring cloak enchant is worth same as every other profession
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 11:17 PM

View Postdrakuru, on 04 October 2012 - 03:55 PM, said:

Tried to sim your char but does not work dunno why^^ ( since you have full gear.). The debate is really mastery vs crit. In Pve crit is better but don't know how much more dmg ( patchwork fight) it is for pvp.

As you also mentioned it is nice for proccs to get faster 3x orbs with high burst and vt ticks for mana. On the other hand it's shit when you have to offheal since a crit could safe a life.


Edit: Totally forgot that mastery gets better with multidotting.

also work with devouring plague dots so mastery increase dps too !

#37 Draakex

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 08:20 AM

i was wondering at which point mastery/crit would be better than haste, since we don't get any extra ticks after approx. 10%. right now i have like 20% haste and 28.5% mastery, but it feels like mastery is always superior to haste since we are dependent on procs for burst and orb-building. some more opinions on how (your personal) stat priorities are would be great

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 08:35 AM

i been seeing alot of spriest going for crit instead of mastery
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 01:36 AM

View PostDeeklol, on 16 November 2012 - 08:35 AM, said:

i been seeing alot of spriest going for crit instead of mastery

from a pve/theorycraft perspective, crit is actually better than mastery after haste, although the mana return on double VT ticks still seems worthwhile...Going to try it for a while and see how I feel about it.

EDIT: also the mastery ticks proc instants, so I guess in pvp its not worth losing. Not sure =\

Edited by Virral, 21 November 2012 - 02:57 AM.


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Posted 28 November 2012 - 11:26 AM

What to go now? PvP-Power or Int
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