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#1 firebunny

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 12:44 PM

So I suppose this is kind of important and seen a lot of people wondering which gems to use
It all depends on your spell power and how valuable crit is to you.


What you want to work out is the % increase from a single point of intel and the % increase from a single point of pvp power (1/265)

Seeing as pvp power gems give double you need it to be worth at least double intel because of the crit gained from intel (which can't be calculated in because of preferences, caps, spells etc blabla)
So 1 intel as a percentage increase of spellpower would be 105/spellpower by default, 111/spellpower with intel or 116/spellpower if you include kings/monkshit/motw.

When that number is lower than the % from each point of pvp power then the DIRECT increase from intel is not as much as PvP power.
You obviously don't need to reach that level because you get double from gems. So the point you are looking for is when the int sp % increase is is less than double that of pvp power (1/530).

So unbuffed you are looking at: 105*265/2 = 13913 spell power
Intel: 111*265/2 = 14708 spell power
Intel and kings/motw/monkcrap = 116*265/2 = 15370 spell power
Above these values the direct increase from Intel is less than that of PvP Power.
Again: This EXCLUDES the crit from intel.

Now... Set bonuses. Lets say there is a set bonus of 50 intel: You are now comparing 130 intel to 160 pvp power and so the intercept changes.
160/(80+50) = 1.230769
For example, unbuffed: 105*265/1.230769 = 22608 spell power
So somewhere above 22608 spell power that set bonus is no longer viable and that point depends on how much you value the crit from that 130 intel.

Keep in mind that the % increase of spell power increases the damage of your spells based on the specific calculations and therefore does not include constants.
These constants are different on every spell so if you want to work out the increase on a specific spell, use that.
SUPA IMPORTANT: Having a higher spell power coefficient in a spell does not make spell power any more viable than PvP power because you are comparing percentage increases.


TLDR;
This all depends on how valuable crit is to you as well as the constant damage value of the spell you are casting.
Unbuffed: PvP Power gems are better than int gems somewhere over 13913 spell power
Intel: PvP Power gems are better than int gems somewhere over 14708 spell power
Intel + kings/wtfever: PvP Power gems are better than int gems somewhere over 15370 spell power

Please point out any mistakes I've made.

PLEASE NOTE: THIS ONLY APPLIES TO DAMAGE
Healing requires 530 pvp power per % and is incorrectly displayed as 265 per %
Healers are looking at around 27825 sp unbuffed before PvP power is better
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 01:10 PM

So if i have 15370 spellpower without gems and full honor gear i should go with pvp power gems?
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 01:29 PM

I already have 20k spellpower in my 463 Heroic gear, so I'm assuming everyone will have over 15370 spellpower in some Contender's/Malevolent Gladiator's gear.  At the very least, Ill be gemming solely PvP power in blue sockets, rather than Int/PvP power.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 02:46 PM

View PostMinpojke, on 02 October 2012 - 01:10 PM, said:

So if i have 15370 spellpower without gems and full honor gear i should go with pvp power gems?
At exactly 15370, no. at 15370 the direct increases will be equal. They will be equal if you exclude crit.
Crit from intel is (1/2533)% per intel.
So a 160 int gem gives you 0.06% crit.
At 15370 spell power: 160 int = 240 PvPpower + 0.06%crit
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Posted 03 October 2012 - 03:32 PM

View Postfirebunny, on 02 October 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:

At exactly 15370, no. at 15370 the direct increases will be equal. They will be equal if you exclude crit.
Crit from intel is (1/2533)% per intel.
So a 160 int gem gives you 0.06% crit.
At 15370 spell power: 160 int = 240 PvPpower + 0.06%crit

So basically if you dont care about crit and just want max healing or damage you go with pvp power gems after you got 15370 sp passively?
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 06:35 PM

View PostMinpojke, on 03 October 2012 - 03:32 PM, said:

So basically if you dont care about crit and just want max healing or damage you go with pvp power gems after you got 15370 sp passively?
Ye, sorry didn't realize you replied to thread as well.
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Posted 21 October 2012 - 11:09 PM

Just updated end for healers.
On a sidenote; healer glove bonus is viable from 7k spell power upwards ;)
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