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#1 Hyuru

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 06:54 AM

What's your opinion about rogues in 5.0? The only thing I find annoying is having to choose between shadowstep and prep :\

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#2 Icekingx

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 07:05 AM

They died after cloak of shadows ends I love it :).

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 07:11 AM

Low survivability, too much burst. Up the former, down the latter.

#4 Hyuru

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 09:17 AM

View PostEcliptium, on 10 September 2012 - 07:11 AM, said:

Low survivability, too much burst. Up the former, down the latter.
100% agree, I havent played much beta- but I have a feeling RMP will be retarded.

#5 Maajty

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 09:23 AM

Our dmg can def. be looked at(as sub mostly I guess) and something that really needs a fix is our survival.
I think rogues are a joke now compared to other classes(especially in survival).

Edited by Maajty, 10 September 2012 - 09:33 AM.


#6 Warrlokk

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 09:27 AM

You pick prep for more survivability, but you lose all mobility.
You pick step for mobility, but you lose a ton of survivability.

Also make DT a base ability now! I don't care if you take the silence from it, being kited by -EVERYONE- isn't how rogues should be. We should be the most agile class in the game if we're going to base this on the lore/assassin type character.
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#7 shakeweightx

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 09:32 AM

hmm so they die after their cds end..sounds like most classes right now..wait til 90 when your health pool basically tripples and see how things work out...people did the same thing at 80 in the prepatch b4 cata came out when damage and healing and surviv was stupid...rets used to die to everything in that prepatch and look how it turned out. Wait til you are actually in the xpack with the new health pools/gear/talents and all and if its still shit then its time to have more people reach out
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Posted 10 September 2012 - 09:45 AM

Can't really complain about rogues atm, playing with prep feels just fine, you can just offensive cloak once and still have a second one for defense. One thing i dont really like tho is that our damage without dance is just a fucking joke. Pets do more damage than a rogue spamming Backstab/Hemo. Talented Feint is super nice and i really love it. Our mobility would also just be fine if there wasnt this retarded change on dispel. It's like your healer dispells lets say 5 debuffs and you finally can go offensive, but then suddenly there is a random cc like a nova/roots/db whatsoever and you're stuck in it for the full duration if you dont want to use cloak/vanish/trinket to get out of it. This just favors every caster imo because they mostly don't care about sitting in a full nova, they just cast in there.

tldr: Buff our damage outside of dance a little bit, not quite like it used to be last season and make stuff like DT/Step finally baseline and we're super fine imo.

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 10:03 AM

most OP atm

Edited by Serben, 10 September 2012 - 10:08 AM.


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Posted 10 September 2012 - 10:50 AM

Dunno if its just me but I honestly feel like rogues are pretty shit right now. As people said above..  our mobility is stupid aside from cooldowns/trinket or go burst of speed and dump energy which sucks. If you don't manage correctly (even if you do it seems) you just fucking die and at the end of the game have minimal damage done. It seems as if there is literally no room for error where as a ranged class can just lay back and completely fuck your entire team dead. The death part..I'm sure is very similar for every class but still... feels way too range based at this stage.

Rogue isn't TERRIBLE but they need to be looked at.. damage outside of dance/vanish is so small, we're basically meat shields I feel.

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 10:58 AM

the burst needs to be looked at from what i saw in wargames - rogue + mage just oneshot people right now.

i also feel that i can kill rogues pretty easy atm so the surviveability seems a bit shitty.

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 11:01 AM

Rogues can burst, yes... not frequently tho. It's not like playing as mage/hunter/spriest etc.. Rogues are easily controllable as of now in my opinion and they are huge targets. As far as the one shotting goes.... you're just seeing mage damage going buck fucking wild.

Edited by Dylon187, 10 September 2012 - 11:02 AM.


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Posted 10 September 2012 - 11:18 AM

View PostCrankyboern, on 10 September 2012 - 10:58 AM, said:

the burst needs to be looked at from what i saw in wargames - rogue + mage just oneshot people right now.

i also feel that i can kill rogues pretty easy atm so the surviveability seems a bit shitty.
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Posted 10 September 2012 - 11:37 AM

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#15 Milanah_6538907

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 11:52 AM

View PostCrankyboern, on 10 September 2012 - 10:58 AM, said:

the burst needs to be looked at from what i saw in wargames - rogue + mage just oneshot people right now.

i also feel that i can kill rogues pretty easy atm so the surviveability seems a bit shitty.

The burst? It's a fucking prepatch with lv 90 scaling, of course we do a fuck ton of damage while dancing now. It's not like every other class does the same amount in total, just not as bursty as rogues atm. Still our burst is nothing that needs a nerf if i just take a look at warriors with the current cd management and their opportunity to just crit for 150k when we got about 350k hp on 90 with pvp gear.

Rogue damage isnt increasing that much on our way to 90, atleast not in a way it does for other classes.

Talking about damage while having a prepatch and wrong scaling for our level is just so retarded.

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 11:58 AM

View PostDylon187, on 10 September 2012 - 11:37 AM, said:

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dont really like the fact of choosing between Prep and Shadowstep and our sustained dmg without Dance is just ridiculous 2k crit backstab on plate and then u see 50k+ crit evisc on a cloth, not sure if serious, but i guess it's too early to talk about rogues, just wait for mop now it's just pointless even talking about it, everything will change.
p.s. Go ud, best race by far. What i felt playing some wargames is that self-dispel cc are gamebreaking.

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 12:04 PM

Yeah I thought about going undead myself to be honest for another CC breaker as you said. The damage scale is seriously a fucking joke... again as you said hemo/backstab compared to evis ... we'll have to wait and see unfortunately, good players will be able to manage tho.

/edit - You're managing against mages and whatever the hell else is running rampid =/

If you stream toss a link, been watchin diff people... just seems the odds are stacked against atm.

Edited by Dylon187, 10 September 2012 - 12:09 PM.


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Posted 10 September 2012 - 01:10 PM

View PostDylon187, on 10 September 2012 - 11:01 AM, said:

Rogues can burst, yes... not frequently tho. It's not like playing as mage/hunter/spriest etc.. Rogues are easily controllable as of now in my opinion and they are huge targets. As far as the one shotting goes.... you're just seeing mage damage going buck fucking wild.
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#19 Crankyboern

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 02:39 PM

View PostMilanah_6538907, on 10 September 2012 - 11:52 AM, said:

The burst? It's a fucking prepatch with lv 90 scaling, of course we do a fuck ton of damage while dancing now. It's not like every other class does the same amount in total, just not as bursty as rogues atm. Still our burst is nothing that needs a nerf if i just take a look at warriors with the current cd management and their opportunity to just crit for 150k when we got about 350k hp on 90 with pvp gear.

Rogue damage isnt increasing that much on our way to 90, atleast not in a way it does for other classes.

Talking about damage while having a prepatch and wrong scaling for our level is just so retarded.

mad? :D i never said warrior burst at lvl 90 is fine.
I stated my experience was based on wargames so why do you repeat me?

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 04:36 PM

View PostCrankyboern, on 10 September 2012 - 02:39 PM, said:

mad? :D i never said warrior burst at lvl 90 is fine.
I stated my experience was based on wargames so why do you repeat me?

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I never repeated you. I explained you the reason WHY we're doing so much damage atm. ~.~




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