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#41 WildeHilde

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 09:34 PM

The poison proc mechanic changed with MoP. It's not PPM anymore it's a simple chance on hit. While wound poison damage isn't really significant for Paralytic the difference is huge. Still with Swords you give away about 1% damage on Ambush for slightly more damage outside of burst. Hemo is less overall damage than backstab+keeping the hemo dot up. It is however often worth to sacrifice damage in order to get combo points.

The difference is overall pretty small, so you are not screwed if you use a sword, but even with the Human expertise bonus daggers are the better choice.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:35 AM

So, i feel retarded :D I didnt realized they changed the poison proc mechanics
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:48 PM

with the upcoming 5.3 changes I'm assuming that agility will outweigh pvp power for gems?

something like

red: agi gems
yellow: agi/resil or agi/mastery
Blue: agi/pvp power or resil/power

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#44 WildeHilde

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 08:34 PM

Correct. With 5.3 agility is the way to go. Resilience is still a solid choice but with lower overall burst, especially for rogues, I guess we have to go even further into the glass cannon direction.

Trinkets order is still PvP Proc > Shadowpan Talisman > other PvE trinkets & onUse. Also Tailoring is the best profession if you want to kill stuff in the opener, combined with Engineering. Else pretty much every profession is on the same level, except the gathering ones.

Currently I'm unsure which comps will work out best, but from a first guess Hunters are the best partners or maybe some melee cleave (Enhancer) or even (I very much hope not) Triple DPS.

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 04:10 AM

View PostWildeHilde, on 04 May 2013 - 08:34 PM, said:

Correct. With 5.3 agility is the way to go. Resilience is still a solid choice but with lower overall burst, especially for rogues, I guess we have to go even further into the glass cannon direction.

Trinkets order is still PvP Proc > Shadowpan Talisman > other PvE trinkets & onUse. Also Tailoring is the best profession if you want to kill stuff in the opener, combined with Engineering. Else pretty much every profession is on the same level, except the gathering ones.

Currently I'm unsure which comps will work out best, but from a first guess Hunters are the best partners or maybe some melee cleave (Enhancer) or even (I very much hope not) Triple DPS.
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Posted 10 May 2013 - 06:17 AM

True.

Question: Working on 5.3 calculations. Can someone tell me the exact proc values of the PvE trinkets (most important Shado Pan) in 5.3?

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 07:25 AM

you're missing the best way of opening with subterfuge ^^ i'll keep it as a secret :)

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Posted 08 June 2013 - 06:13 PM

what's the general consensus when it comes to expertise? are you guys going for 1190 exp rating?

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 09:40 PM

View PostJulien, on 08 June 2013 - 06:13 PM, said:

what's the general consensus when it comes to expertise? are you guys going for 1190 exp rating?

I run close to 2.93% or something, as in I reforge every point of expertise I can.

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 08:07 PM

Hey

Sehr guter Guide, nur leider schon etwas veraltet. Habt ihr vor den in nächster Zeit zu updaten? Wäre super :)

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 09:55 PM

View Postshootercube, on 27 November 2013 - 08:07 PM, said:

Hey

Sehr guter Guide, nur leider schon etwas veraltet. Habt ihr vor den in nächster Zeit zu updaten? Wäre super :)

Maybe at some point but we have started to work on a non-gaming business together and have a huge workload. So it's extremely unlikely to happen this year. We plan to play the beta however and do another guide during the beta if our schedule allows it.

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Posted 30 November 2013 - 12:12 PM

mh kannst du vllt . sagen ob schmied+ ingi immer noch die beste wahl ist ?
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Posted 17 August 2014 - 06:11 AM


WoD macros


Assa & Combat Garrote (bound to 1)

#showtooltip

/cast [nomod,form:0] Stealth

/cast [nomod,form:1/2] Garrote


Assa & Combat Cheap Shot (bound to 2)

#showtooltip

/cast [nomod,form:0] Stealth

/cast [nomod,form:1/2] Cheap Shot



Assa Ambush & Mutilate (bound to 4)

#showtooltip

/cast [nomod,form:0] Mutilate

/cast [nomod,form:1/2] Ambush


MfD focus Kidney (bound to Alt + C)

#showtooltip Marked for Death

/cast [@focus] Marked for Death

/cast [@focus] Kidney Shot


(bound to Alt + R)

Use upper trinket

#showtooltip

/use 13


Premeditation (bound to Alt + S)

#showtooltip Premeditation

/cast [form:0] Stealth

/cast [form:1/2] Premeditation


MfD  (bound to Alt + D)

#showtooltip Marked for Death

/cast Marked for Death


ShS focus/party  (bound to Mouse Wheel Down)

#showtooltip

/cast [nomod,talent:4/2,@focus] Shadowstep

/cast [nomod,talent:4/2,@party2] Shadowstep

/cast [mod:ctrl,talent:4/2,@party4] Shadowstep


BoS & ShS (bound to Mouse Wheel Up)

#showtooltip

/cast [nomod,talent:4/2,@target] Shadowstep, [nomod,talent:4/3] Burst of Speed

/cast [mod:alt,talent:4/2,@party1] Shadowstep

/cast [mod:ctrl,talent:4/2,@party3] Shadowstep


Sub Garrote (bound to Shift+1)

#showtooltip Stealth

/cast [form:0] Stealth

/cast [form:1/2,@focus] Garrote


Assa & Combat focus Cheap Shot (bound to Shift+2)

#showtooltip Stealth

/cast [form:0] Stealth

/cast [form:1/2,@focus] Cheap Shot


Deadly Throw & Combat Readiness (bound to A)

#showtooltip

/cast [nomod,talent:2/1,@target] Deadly Throw; [nomod,talent:2/3] Combat Readiness


Sap Search macro (bound to Tab)

#showtooltip Sap

/cleartarget [form:1/2]

/targetenemyplayer [form:1/2]

/cast [form:1/2, harm, nodead] Sap


Focus Gouge (bound to X)

#showtooltip

/cast [nomod,@focus] Gouge


Use lower trinket (bound to Z)

#showtooltip

/use 14


Sub Garrote (bound to 1)

#showtooltip

/cast [nomod,form:0] Stealth

/cast [nomod,form:1/2] Premeditation

/cast [nomod,form:1/2] Garrote

/cast [mod:ctrl,form:0] Shadow Dance

/cast [mod:ctrl,form:1/2] Garrote


Sub Cheap Shot (bound to 2)

#showtooltip

/cast [nomod,form:0] Stealth

/cast [nomod,form:1/2] Premeditation

/cast [nomod,form:1/2] Cheap Shot

/cast [mod:ctrl,form:0] Shadow Dance

/cast [mod:ctrl,form:1/2] Cheap Shot


Multi Purpose macro (Kidney, focus Kidney + MfD Eviscerate) (bound to 3)

#showtooltip Kidney Shot

/cast [nomod,@target] Kidney Shot

/cast [mod:shift,@focus] Kidney Shot

/cast [mod:ctrl] Marked for Death

/cast [mod:ctrl] Eviscerate


Backstab & Ambush (bound to 4)

#showtooltip

/cast [nomod,form:0] Backstab

/cast [nomod,form:1/2] Premeditation

/cast [nomod,form:1/2] Ambush

/cast [mod:ctrl,form:0] Shadow Dance

/cast [mod:ctrl,form:1/2] Ambush


Blind Arena3 (bound to Ctrl + E)

#showtooltip Blind

/cast [@arena3] Blind


Focus Blind (bound D)

#showtooltip

/cast [nomod,@focus] Blind


Focus Deadly Throw (bound to F)

#showtooltip Deadly Throw

/cast [nomod,@focus] Deadly Throw


Cancelaura for RBG flags (addons sometimes block clicking them off)

/cancelaura Horde Flag

/cancelaura Alliance Flag


Cancel stealth (bound to 7)

/cancelaura Stealth


Focus Sap & Blind Arena1 (bound to Q)

/cast [nomod,form:0] Stealth

/cast [nomod,@focus,form:1/2] Sap

/cast [mod:ctrl,@arena1] Blind


Kick & Blind Arena4 (bound to R)

#showtooltip Kick

/cast [nomod,@target] Kick

/cast [mod:ctrl,@arena4] Blind


Focus Kick (bound to S)

#showtooltip

/cast [nomod,@focus] Kick


Sub Focus Garrote (bound to Shift+1)

#showtooltip

/cast [form:0] Shadow Dance

/cast [form:1/2,@focus] Garrote


Sub Focus Cheap Shot (bound to Shift+2)

#showtooltip

/cast [form:0] Shadow Dance

/cast [form:1/2,@focus] Cheap Shot


T7 Macro - Death from Above & Shadow Reflection (bound to T)

#showtooltip

/cast [nomod,talent:7/2,@target] Shadow Reflection; [nomod,talent:7/3,@target] Death from Above

/cast [mod:alt,talent:7/2,@focus] Shadow Reflection; [nomod,talent:7/3,@focus] Death from Above

/cast [mod:ctrl,@arena5] Blind


Focus Shiv (bound to C)

#showtooltip

/cast [nomod,@focus] Shiv


Sap & Blind Arena2 (bound to W)

/cast [nomod,form:0] Stealth

/cast [nomod,@target,form:1/2] Sap

/cast [mod:ctrl,@arena2] Blind


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Posted 21 August 2014 - 08:47 PM

Hilde,

What keys do you use for movement?

I'm using SEF to free up more space to the left of my hand for keys, but I'm just curious as to what you use.

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Posted 21 August 2014 - 10:09 PM

View PostJaytron, on 21 August 2014 - 08:47 PM, said:

Hilde,

What keys do you use for movement?

I'm using SEF to free up more space to the left of my hand for keys, but I'm just curious as to what you use.

I use E to move forward and the Sensei mouse thumb buttons to strafe. If I would play a caster/healer I might bind moving back, too, to fine-tune distance but as melee I have no use for that obviously.

I remade a lot of hotkeys for WoD and moved a lot of the things that need to be really fast to better hotkeys:

Q - Focus Sap
W - Sap
R - Kick
T - T7 macro
A - Deadly Throw / Tier 2
S - Focus Kick
D - Focus Blind
F - Focus Deadly Throw
Y - Gouge
X - Focus Gouge
C - Shiv
V - Focus Shiv

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Posted Yesterday, 11:50 PM

Where's your Kidney/Focus Kidney? I may try a setup similar to yours to see how it feels.

I have most of my attack binds like hemo/bs/cs/ambush/sap/etc bound to my mouse wheel+modifiers feels easier to spam the hell of of attacks when bursting :P

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Posted Today, 05:13 AM

3 - Kidney
Shift + 3 - Focus Kidney
alt + c - MfD Focus Kidney

All my binds:

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I used a software called SharpKeys to bind CTRL to CapsLock, so it's way easier to hit it.




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